Putin brags Russia's new hypersonic missiles 'can wipe out US cities' sparking WW3 fears

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  1. Giftedone

    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Diverging slightly - thinking about this Gain of Function research -- making bat virus transmissible to humans so we can "Study it" and develop vaccines - but then thinking about bioware .. and what these goblins have come up with.. and knowing how easy it is being somewhat of a subject matter expert .. A Nation State doesn't need nukes .. just way to easy to kill en mass

    Doubt we will be getting rid of nukes anytime soon - things are going the reverse direction - China's new "space-craft" - hypersonic glide vehicle - being the latest example .. in response to US violation of arms treaty after arms treaty ... rushing towards the new arms race .. "Space -Force" Lets all weaponize space because a ballistic missle launched from Russia takes 30 min to get here .. far to long .. we want nukes in space above our heads .. 90 seconds away .. nothing like hair trigger apocalypse to get the blood flowing.
     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    1) Yes you did .. you cried "Liar Liar" when another poster stated that Russia could wipe out the US with nukes. So while you did not use those exact words -- it is implied in your claim ..as Russia has the capability to fire all the nukes that they have. Don't confuse your lack of understanding of your own words - with someone telling lies.

    Your claim that Russia could not wipe out the US with nukes is preposterous nonsense on steroids .. your desperate attempts to defend this lost position getting ridiculous.

    2) Yes they did .. so what if they withdrew .. that is still violating the terms of the "Don't build ABM's" - -by building ABM's - party or not party to the treaty - quibble as you will over nonsense - . it was still moronic to build ABMs and put them on Russia's border
     
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    I'm simply saying that nukes have been used effectively, and nothing will stop people from attempting to emulate the tactic and weapon (surprise, 1st strike) until it's made obsolete.
     
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    Didn't say you did .. the post you responded to - and I have told you this at least twice now .. was about the claim that Russia could not wipe out the US

    I didn't say they would use it all "So stop making stuff up" .. thats all you do build strawman -- falsely accuse someone of saying what they did not ..

    Defenses against a supersonic cruise missile ? .. no .. and nor do we have defenses against a large scale ballistic missile attack .. for someone who was desperate to demonize others for lack of military experience .. tis you the one who seems to be lacking ...

    "We have Possible Defenses" ? ? .. and its possible the sun may not rise tomorrow.
     
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    So you are admitting you lied about what I said. A good first step @Gifteddone
     
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    And it isn't like the USA hasn't colonized. The very foundation of the country itself is colonization. Then there is Hawaii, Samoa, Guam, Philippines (who thankfully gained independence again), etc.
     
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    I realize that not all are educated to high standard .. but you claiming to be a History professor -- should be able to figure out that when you call someone a Liar - for saying Russia could not wipe out the US .. even though you did not say the exact words "Russia could not wipe out the US" .. this is what is implied.

    Now go and learn :)
     
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    You are obviously unfamiliar with the "Mid-Course" missile systems and CHAMP. And then there holdovers from "Star Wars" like "Brilliant Pebbles" and "ABL". We have many systems in play to defend against enemy ICBM's. Are you so naive to think we'd just let ourselves be totally defenseless against them? Really? Wow.
     
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    Prove it
     
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    Just curious as to how much experience you have bringing lawsuits before SCOTUS. I'm betting the number is -0-

    It takes alot of money and time to bring a case before SCOTUS. Before any appellate court really.

    I suppose that if Congress passed a law saying that all citizens should be assaulted and violated, you would applaud and support the law.

    No sir, not too many constitutional lawyers are graduated from West Point or Annapolis.
     
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    ROFL .... you were the one that claimed Russia could not wipe out the US .. calling someone a liar - have you never heard of a Nuclear bomb .. do you think this is made up fantasy .. Hiroshima/Nagasaki and all the hundreds of nuclear tests .. fake ?? Holy conspiracy batman ..
    The effects of a nuclear bombs been proven six ways to sunday .. you can go to sites that will tell you the blast radius .. how much radiation .. for now long... now go and learn.
     
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    LOL... and ow many case have YOU presented in front of SCOTUS? LOL

    So you are saying that laws passed by Congress, signed by POTUS and unopposed by SCOTUS are NOT legal? LOL... Good luck with that... let me know if you run into anyone that buys it... LOL
     
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    None, but I have been involved in bringing cases to lower courts, and it's expensive and more.

    I'm no lawyer, but I've taken law courses. I know that SCOTUS gives a rubber stamp approval to all US statutes. That rubber stamp approval will stand UNTIL some citizen or group can muster the financial effort to get the case to court. Thus part of your point is correct, but it fails to see the big picture.

    A perfect example of that is the Fugitive Slave Act of 1850. It received that rubber stamp approval, but once the government started enforcing it, back in the days of informed and conscientious juries, there were many more acquittals than convictions. Jury nullification nullified that law. These days an informed and conscientious jury is as rare as hen's teeth.
     
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    Novaya Zemyla

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Novaya_Zemlya

    Hundreds of nuclear detonations there totaling hundreds megatons. In an area smaller than Florida.

    People live there today.

    Case closed.
     
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    So you are saying that laws passed by Congress, signed by POTUS and unopposed by SCOTUS are NOT legal? LOL... Good luck with that... let me know if you run into anyone that buys it... LOL

    And you have to reach all the way back to something as out of date and irrelevant in 2021 as the Fugitive Slave Act to make your ridiculous point? LOL... this gets better and better... LOL
     
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    But that was a rock hitting a rock. The POWER of the blast equaled megatons. But there was no radiation from a nuclear detonation. Just a really big bang. Megatons is a measure of tons of TNT and doesn't address radiation... just the BANG!
     
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    I am saying that I read, speak and understand the English language, and I have studied the USC and its principles for many years.

    I don't expect you to buy it. Indeed, I would be shocked if any West Point Graduate, including my dear cousin, worked to understand the principles and early case law in this country.

    We are now a Woke Society, tearing down statues of founders and defecating on once sacred legal principles. It's a sign of the times.
     
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    Oh... ok... you're defecating on sacred principles. I understand now. OK.
     
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    Not likely you understand, not likely at all.
     
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    The only closed case here is your mind. How does people living there . decades later = the US not being wiped out ? You figure the few left alive will vacate somewhere else for a few decades and then return .. and what they build you are going to claim is the USA ?


    LOL -- what a joke of an argument .. you do make me laugh. Ohh . but wait .. will wave a magic wand and the entire infrastructure ... bridges -- buildings .. in every major city - .. a few years later .. all back together .. .. and who is going to do this job ??? .. given most of the population has died - and the ones living have migraged to one of the mass refugee camps .in mexico - cause its winter and almost no one went north

    What a clueless laugh and a half .. case closed alright.
     
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    It was my understanding that a great deal of radiation irradiated Novae Zemlya.
     
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    Mind blank ? - cat got tongue .. speak .. tell me how these few displaced wanderers left after the apocalypse are going to come back and restore the US to former glory .. Land of the Free - Home of the Brave .. and their three eyed offspring --

    Come now .. tell us the story of the rebuilding of the USA - how it will be back up and running on no time - after Russia bombs the USA into oblivion.
     
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    ??
    Depends on various factors.

    1) How many weapons actually detonate on the U.S.?
    2) What are the targets in the U.S.?
    3) How prepared is the U.S. for the attack?
    4) How hard are our allies and neighbors hit by nuclear weapons?
    5) How good is our political and economic leadership?

    Answer those in maximum detail and I'll let you know.
     

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