So Orwellian it's trite to say it's Orwellian.

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  1. Lee Atwater

    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Trump announces social media platform launch plan, SPAC deal

    Former President Donald Trump announced Wednesday he will be launching his very own media network, including a social media platform called “TRUTH Social,” in order to “stand up to the tyranny of Big Tech.”

    The app appears to be the first project of the Trump Media and Technology Group (TMTG), which will list on the Nasdaq through a merger with Digital World Acquisition Group, according to an announcement tweeted out by spokeswoman Liz Harrington. The transaction values TMTG at up to $1.7 billion, Harrington said.

    The new company, which lists Trump’s private membership club Mar-A-Lago as its address, will be chaired by the former president, who says that this “group’s mission is to create a rival to the liberal media consortium.”
    https://www.cnbc.com/2021/10/20/trump-announces-social-media-platform-launch-plan-spac-deal.html

    Black is white, up is down, and the name of an inveterate liar's social media platform is going to be TRUTH. It's the social media equivalent of Faux's "fair and balanced" in that like Faux Don's platform will be presenting the opposite of truth. It will give the former Liar-in-Chief the chance to spew lies at will, creating another means for The Following to be insulated from actual truth. I haven't seen anything so transparently ridiculous since Operation Iraqi Freedom and the Clear Skies Act.
     
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    My, my....got a problem NOW with free speech.....DON'T like it, then DON'T log on it, easy peasy huh?
     
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    Josh77 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    pointing out that a source of information is full of **** is not being “against free speech”. It is exercising free speech. It’s the same as saying you being against his being against Trump’s new group is being against free speech. Pointing out the faults of a source of information is not saying “**** them down”.
     
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  4. Lee Atwater

    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    What does free speech have to do with the name of Trump's social media platform. Calling it TRUTH is like calling it Quiet Humble Guy.
     
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    All speech is free.
    What exists are internal or external restrictions.
    Just as ‘freedom’ exists everywhere for everybody until restrictions come into play.
    The concept of freedom is a dead end discussion, whatever restrictions exist ought to be the focus.
     
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    Don't use it if you don't want to. I don't see how it's Orwellian, everyone thinks they have the truth and claims as such.
     
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    it's not a free speech site, there will be a TOS, one that says you can't criticize Trump or his family from what I hear
     
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    I won't, but I will still comment on the name and stuff, free speech and all that
     
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    What's "Orwellian" is the Biden -Fauci Clown show
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    NIH admits US funded gain-of-function in Wuhan — despite Fauci’s denials
    https://nypost.com/2021/10/21/nih-a...ion-in-wuhan-despite-faucis-repeated-denials/

    Not that anyone who looked at what they were doing did not know it was goblins at work. Lying from the get go .. as the Front-man for big pharma and the Biden Admin -- down played the "came from the Lab" - as "Conspiracy" .. and this filled the air for many months .. until it became generally accepted that there was a darn good many "coincidences" The ministry of Truth is the spewer of lies - and propaganda.

    CDC two months ago now stated that vaxed transmit just as much as the non vaxed -- yet we still have this mandate .. .. one based on lies.

    Downplaying treatment .. and action which resulted in what appears to be many more deaths than needed to happen -- lies

    Bad Science .. even worse false use of statistics .. starting right from the Phizer 95% claim .. a relaltive rather than absolute value .. which is fraud... propaganda.

    Yes .. Pravda would be proud .. ask any Eastern European what it was like under communism .. the use of propaganda ..

    and when not lying about this shtty vaxes that don't do what they are supposed to .. don't stop transmission .. they are censoring speech, information.. press .. aye .. these are trouble times mate..
     
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    you mean Fauci from the Trump task force? from the guy who picks the best people?
     
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    Nope . I mean the Chief Soldier for Biden --- kept on long past his overdue date -- Conflict of interest central .. on steroids .. something we did not know at the time of Trump . but be it Trump or Biden .. Fauci is Goblin central.. massive propaganda and lies out of the Biden Admin Fauci at the help..

    Trump did not do these digusting things ... nothign Trump did was this disgusting .. They say Trump was an Authoritarian .. and "They" would be correct .. but Trump aint Got nothing on the Biden Gestapo ..
     
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    can there be "restrictions" on natural rights?
     
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    It's how successful propaganda works, that why the term 'TRUTH' is used.
     
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    of course .. look out on the world ... but if you are talking legitimate authority - to put restrictions - as per the founding principles and definition of constitutional republic.. Gov't has no legit authority - to make such Law "of its own volition" .. Gov't can however appeal to the masses .. for a change to the social contract.. something requiring not 50+1 .. but overwhelming majority .. at least 2/3rds..

    thats how it is supposed to work .. and so such a restriction on essential liberty would be legitimate.

    What is not legit is 50+1 -- or simple majority mandate .. but alas .. we no longer care much about the principles. Utilitarian Justification for law rules the day an anathema to essential liberty - allowing for an endrun around the safeguards which protect .. as this justification looks only at "what will increase happiness over the collective" with no regard for Essential liberty.,,,,,

    Who gets to decide you might ask ? .. well gov't -- thats who knows best for you.. and this justification gives them near unlimited power - force you to take a jab .. who's risk of harm is as great as the disease - on the basis of lies lies and more lies.. such as vaxed transmit less than unvaxed .. debunked by the CDC 2 months ago .. so why the mandate ..

    and those folks filling up the hostpitals .. it ain't me -- no comorb/obese/pneumonia susceptible.

    no limits .. Law justified on the basis of "If it saves one life" "Harm reduction"

    So lets ban skiing .. would we not save one life ? "Dont you want to save a Life you evil person " !!!

    how about boating .. thats really dangerous .. one could drown .. driving a car ? forget it .. n-fact one should probably not rise from bed in the morning .. as one might fall and break neck.. You know .. stats wise .. risk of harm from walking is 400 times greater than the risk of harm from a terrorist attack... some some..

    Unlimited Power .... Speaking of which .. how about those Fatties .. higher risk of death from covid they have .. if gonna force me to vax .. to supposedly save a few hospital trips .. abject nonsense for those not in aforementioned groups. .. Save way more trips if you slim down those fatties.. just sayin .. thats how the numbers work .. not my fault .. you wanna demonize a group .. for some "risk of going to the hospital" fine .. let it be so . ... Mandatory slim down programs for Fatties.

    aaaaand .. while we are on this train -- how about the genetically unfit .. you know if you pass on those bad genes - person has a higher potential of illness ... costing the system .. more hostpital trips... best those folks be in on the "Sterilization Mandate" - Adolf would be proud.
     
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    Well now you’re introducing the concept of ‘natural’ and ‘rights’.
    Rousseau said: ‘man is born free but everywhere is in chains’.
    The real discussion is about the chains, the restrictions, because in every other way man is born free.
    One way of understanding is to ask whether a person has the ‘natural right’ to shout ‘FIRE!’ in a darkened crowded theatre.
     
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    Isn't it exactly the same principle with Facebook and Twitter?

    So I conclude that you also find it unjustified that Trump complains about being kicked off social networks.
     
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    It appears Truth Social tripped on the way out the door and fell flat on it's face.
     
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    Trump’s Brand New TRUTH App May Violate Terms Of Open Source Code It’s Built O

    The new social network founded by former President Trump may violate the terms of use of the software on which it is based.

    On Wednesday night, after Trump revealed the TRUTH social app, Twitter users began to note that the network appeared to be based on an open-source social networking software called Mastodon, which allows people to modify the underlying code so long as they abide by its license.

    But the Trump network appears to have taken the publicly available code for the website while violating the terms that make it free to use.

    Mastodon founder Eugen Rochko told TPM in an email that TRUTH appeared to violate the terms of use that the software sets forth: making the source code available, and having a copy of the general product license available to users.

    https://talkingpointsmemo.com/muckr...iolate-terms-of-open-source-code-its-built-on

    Totally unsurprising.
     
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    Personally, I think that trump is too much a buffoon to be truly Orwellian.
    Being Orwellian implies a degree of sinister competence, like with Putin or Xi, but trump was never anything more than a malignant narcissist, only obsessed with his image and how to scam money from people. His only two motivations are vanity and greed.
     
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    Or for that matter the Democrats infrastructure bill that spends little to nothing on infrastructure as per usual or Biden's Build back better which in reality is destroy totally. Always remember that when Democrats accuse others if lying that the lie has always been the Democratic party's stock in trade whether it's the racist liesies told by there grand daddy's about African or the equally racist lies propounded by CRT today in order to cover up the catastrophic damage wrought by the Welfare state upon black families and the black community. Note a community without the nuclear family is a community without foundation or roots. And in order to establish their new world order with them in the catbird seat these swine fully intend to visit that destruction upon us all.

    Make no mistake ladies and gentlemen everything the left does is directed toward the abolition of free and fair elections and by that any possible challenge to their hegemony and power.
     
  21. Lee Atwater

    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Trump to Twitter: I Can’t Make You Love Me

    As if it needs to be said, but I shall: Buyer beware. While Trump’s Twitter-addicted son, Donald J. Trump Jr., touted Truth Social on Fox News and said it would be up and running by early next year, the service already looks ill on arrival from a tech perspective. Hackers compromised the “donaldjtrump” handle on the beta site and the ability to sign up was halted temporarily.

    Meanwhile, its terms of service are a riot, so to speak. They include a ban on any content that would “disparage, tarnish, or otherwise harm, in our opinion, us and/or the Site” and “excessive use of capital letters.”

    It appears as if tech disparager Trump is a closet Silicon Valley tech bro. His company is hiding behind the same skirt that they all do; it’s using Section 230, the law that gives tech platforms broad immunity, as a shield. Of course, Trump used to be a critic of the rule, and issued an ill-conceived executive order when he was president to try to overturn it. And yet Truth Social notes that it is “not responsible for … any Third-Party Content posted on, available through, or installed from the Site, including [its] content, accuracy, offensiveness, opinions [or] reliability.”

    https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/22/opinion/trump-twitter-media.html
     
  22. Lee Atwater

    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    He's clea
    He's clearly a buffoon. But have no doubt that his ploy to copy Twitter by naming the posts on his duplicitous platform "truths" instead of "tweets" will mindlessly be accepted by the minions despite being a laughable canard.
     
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    If I didn't think I'd be exposing myself to extreme security risks by doing so, I'd join just to troll.
     
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    tRump has many sinisterly competent sycophants behind him. He is completely amoral and will do anything and go along with anything that achieves his goals. Even the distruction of OUR Constitution and Nation as we know it.
     
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    They have the right, but they are not free from the consequences from doing so.
     

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