Putin brags Russia's new hypersonic missiles 'can wipe out US cities' sparking WW3 fears

The article I linked to specifically mentioned "ballistic missiles"

Why wouldn't the Russians be trying to destroy U.S. ships? It makes more sense than shooting at cities. After all, ships are clear military assets.

 

Not enough to make a difference.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aegis_Ballistic_Missile_Defense_System

What part of "NOT for ICBM's" do you not understand ?

I have not lied .. if you don't like "short order" then pick a different term.. so far you are the only one telling tall tails .. playing little avoidance games...

You said the US would not be wiped out .. called someone a liar - for claiming otherwise . back up your claim - not wiped out means the US should be up and running in a reasonable time after..

How long ? .. 1 year .. 5 years .. 2 decades .. I never said you used the exact term "Short Order" ..

Now get to it ... tell us how the US is going to bounce back after a full scale nuclear strike .. since you are such an expert .. calling other liars for suggesting that Russia could wipe out the US.

 

What is enough ? how many nukes . random unsupported gibberish - are you not capable of more..

 

15 to 25 years give or take plus or minus five years depending on the level of preparation.

 

How do you come up with that number .. what is the destruction and who is left to rebuild .. how many years before the folks that are left and their 3 eyed offspring can return to the US and start rebuilding after getting hit with 3000 nukes.

 

The subject was a meteor hitting earth... no nuke involved. Of course a nuke explosion releases radiation... the subject was a rock hitting earth.

 

You think we have no ICBM defenses? Wow.... read a bit. Get some FACTS.

 

Radiation does not cause the types mutations in humans you are suggesting.

Hiroshima and Nagasaki basically recovered in five years so it seems reasonable most U.S. recovery wouldn't take more than 3-5 times longer.

 

Hiroshima and Nagasaki were both blasts of about 15kt (equivalent of 15,000 tons of TNT). Those are quite small by today's standards and considered "tactical nukes". "Strategic nukes" are much, much larger, typically 100kt to 1mt (equivalent of a million tons of TNT). Nagasaki and Hiroshima were isolated events with lots of fresh air available to blow in and provide clean air. National assets from all over Japan were utilized to help out. In the kind of attack this thread is addressing, most of the air would be contaminated and few assets would be available, since they would all be working in their own areas.... Just a thought.

 

I know. But.

1) Japan had also been reduced to ashes conventional means prior to Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
2) Japan as a nation also suffered a severe famine just after the end of World War Two.
3) The U.S. would receive massive amounts of aide from its allies and neighboring nations.

 

1 is true, but they still had a functional military. That's why we dropped the bombs... to preclude a devastating invasion operation.
2... yes... but we sent lots of aid. MacArthur was actually a very beneficial governor.
3... hard to say... so much of the world would be in ruins.

But my point is that Japan's recovery from two small nukes would be quite different than a US recovery from dozens, perhaps hundreds of BIG nukes... no matter how you cut it.

 

How? In the nuking of the U.S. scenario @Gifteddone specified that U.S. allies would NOT be attacked.

 

The three eye children was a joke .. -- but mutations happen - women in fallujah .. just from depleted uranium still having issues .

The other joke - is to compare the rehabitation and rebuilding of Hiroshima/Nag -- a tiny airburst .. as opposed to the nasty groundburst .. from an atomic bomb ... to wiping out the entire US - a unhinabitable radioactive zone for a long long time .. not even able to return for a decade .. some of the Marshall Islands radiation levels at "unihabitable" in 1970 .. 16 years later .. didn't check anything recent doesn't matter .. as this is the only reference point required .. as this would reflect the entire continental US on average . with 400 of the big nukes that are coming .. .. perhaps they will sent a few of the 20 megaton puppies .. 1500 times the power of Hiroshima.

After the bombing of Hiroshima .. the people had somewhere to go .. someone to take care .. the rest of the nation still intact.

This will not be the case after the US is completely destroyed .. with 3000 nuclear explosions .. all many times bigger than Hiroshima.

1 megaton = roughly 70 times the Hiroshima .. in case you were wondering.

Now that you have a better reference point .. realizing that of the folks that survived the blast - and short term radiation death - not being able to escape the contamination zone .. and nowhere to run to if you could .. long term radiation deaths will be astronomical .. this will be if the person lives long enough to survive the complete anarchy that will ensue ..

Every major US city .. gets the equivalent of hundreds of Hiroshima's .. got 3000 to drop mate ..

So - when the very small number of people who return after being a refugee for at least 10-15 years minimum ...more likely 30 heh .. but lets be conservative .. How long after that these refugees that return -- likely most opting out .. not much to come back to - rebuild the US to former glory ?

 

That enemies would attack the USA and our allies wouldn't be involved at all is is a kind of crazy thought. They'd get involved. To what extent is hard to say.

 

I didn't say no defenses .. none against a full scale ICBM attack .. but do tell as I am not aware of any reliable defense system we have to take out an ICBM .. other than getting it in the boost phase -- which is irrelevent to this scenario- as we do not have the capabilities in place to do that .. the little that we do have .. the first thing to go..

You been reading too many Rayathon inspired cartoons .. full of fantasy for the future "Champ" and so on ... we are talking reality .. and reality is that we have some 44 ABM silos .. these for short and intermediate range ballistics .. won't be much help against an ICBM .. and what we do have .. how will it work without GPS ? -- as satellites are the first to go .. along with long range radar installations

Then after the initial EMP blasts - communication and power gone -- in darkness you wait for the End

 

The REALITY is that CHAMP was fully developed and tested by 2012 and was fielded to US forces and Israel in 2014. It is deployed and waiting, ready to go. You are right about EMP though. Which brings us back to MAD (Mutually Assured Destruction) which has prevented nuclear war since the 1950's... so this whole conversation is probably moot.

And CHAMP is built by Boeing, not Raytheon. I have worked for Boeing... a wonderful company that cares about its people... a lot.

 

Who cares about CHAMP -- has no relevence to ICBM's

 

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the health problems from depleted uranium have nothing to do with radiation but with heavy metal toxicity.

As for the rest you make the classic mistake that many make regarding nuclear weapons.

The destructiveness of nuclear weapons does not scale up exponentially.

A 150 kiloton nuclear weapon is not necessarily 10 times as destructive as Little Boy that hit Hiroshima despite being ten times higher yield.

 

ICBM's are MISSILES, not ROCKETS. Rockets are unguided. Think of the bottle rockets of your youth. You light them and they go where they are aimed. like a bullet.
But ICBM's are GUIDED. Look at all the reports of the hypervelocity missiles being launched today. They go up, then are guided to an altitude, then they re-enter the atmosphere at a certain time in flight and they are GUIDED to their targets. The on-board computers which provide this guidance consist of microcircuits which can be disrupted (melted) by EMP.
Similarly, nuclear weapons have very complex computer circuits which create the conditions for detonation. From timing to yield and all the rest, these circuits can also be disabled by EMP, preventing detonation.

 

Never said it scaled up exponentially ? you are confused.. and yes .. a 150 kiloton weapon is 10 times as destructive as Hiroshima.

So a 1 megaton is roughly 70 times - 20 megaton 1400 times ... like I told you..

A contaminated wasteland for at least 15 years - now tell us how the refugee's upon return restore the US - and how long will it take to return to former glory .. something that would be possible if the US was not "wiped out" .. but alas .. the US has been "Wiped out"

Your claim that Russia could not wipe out the US is false. .

 

he only way depleted uranium can injure you is if it coming at you at high velocity. DU is used in SABOT rounds configured as a "dart" that can penetrate dense armor. The only way it can poison you is if you eat it. Its as hard as a diamond and doesn't come apart enough to make small pieces to accommodate that. (LOL)

 

As the classic said - the law is the will of the ruling class, raised to the rank of obligatory. If we consider that the ruling class in the United States is the oligarchs, then talking about the triumph of the law on the triumph of the power of the oligarchs is equal.

 

This is reality. For example, if we saw a capitalist country in a state of war, it was at the behest of their American masters. Conclusion - Are Russians and Chinese immeasurably more peaceful than Americans?

 

They don't think about it. The oligarchs are confident that ... firstly, the nuclear war will end quickly
Secondly, a nuclear war will not lead to 100% destruction of the infrastructure.
Thirdly, the oligarchs will be able to buy themselves enough protection and not be afraid.
Fourth, they are confident that they will earn much more in the war than they will lose.
Fifthly, the poor and hungry people will work for them for food and will actually become new slaves for the oligarchs ..... and so on.
I can show you many arguments for the oligarchs in favor of war.
And besides, you can look into history and see many examples when a new invention made the consequences of war so terrible that people were sure that war was impossible ... But it took a little time and the war began again.
Recall, for example, the Middle Ages and the corpses infected with the plague, which opponents throw each other .... or the appearance of poisonous gases.
In general, I think that your argument in favor of the peaceful coexistence of peoples under capitalism, because there are nuclear weapons, is untenable.