Sinema's 5 person unpaid veteran advisors resign,not representing voters.

Discussion in 'Political Opinions & Beliefs' started by 61falcon, Oct 21, 2021.

  1. Golem

    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    They're HER advisors
     
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    jcarlilesiu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Then she won't be re-elected as big pharma don't get to vote.

    Wealthy peoples votes aren't diminished because they make political contributions.
     
  3. Condor060

    Condor060 Banned Donor

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    So are these examples of a Democrats actually doing what they campaigned on.
    Biden promised not to kill the Keystone pipeline after taking office, yet its the first thing he did.
    Biden promised that he would not ban oil fracking yet its the first thing he did first day in office
    Biden claimed he would secure the border yet we have 1.7 million illegal crossing yet this year (highest in history)
    Biden screamed about putting kids in cages, yet thats what he's doing now and refuses to even visit the border
    Biden promised to get Covid under control yet he has more Covid deaths with the vaccine than Trump has without the vaccine
    Biden promised another $2k stimulus check that would go out immediately, then changed it to $1400
    Biden promised student loan forgiveness then refused to do it
    Biden promised $15 minimum wage yet has done nothing to promote it when he found out it would cost 1.4 million jobs
    Biden promised no mask mandates, then mandated mask
    Biden promised no vaccine mandates, then mandated vaccines

    So what excuses for Biden will they make up so they can vote for him the next time they feed voters lies
     
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    DEFinning Well-Known Member Donor

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    Well, assuming that Biden has now come around to see that there at least have to be some changes made to the filibuster, that leaves Manchin & Sinema as the two big obstacles. Manchin is on the record that he would be willing to consider, at any rate, returning to a "talking," filibuster, in which those filibustering would have to hold the floor. That just leaves Sinema.
     
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    Did they follow her into the bathroom with an illegal immigrant to tender their resignation? Not sure if that was par for the course for Democrats when communicating.

     
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    So in other words you claiming that she campaigned on this $3 trillion package was false. And don't try and claim otherwise. "Yep! In the Democratic party you can't just campaign on something. You have to actually DO it." <---- YOUR words. In response to a post about how Sinema is being treated and in a thread about her resistance of the $3 trillion package. Oh I know, you'll still use weasel words to try and snake out of what you said.

    And I wouldn't have to ask stupid questions if there weren't stupid statements being made. :shrug:
     
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    It is ridiculous to translate those two pledges to mean, "I am really a Republican." The idea is that she will stand up to the Dem Party when that is in the best interests of her constituents (and the country), and that she will be willing to work with Republicans, for that same reason. This second thing, by the way, does not distinguish her from other Democrats who, by and large, have been willing to work w/ Repubs, when they can find any to work with. Even Bernie Sanders has worked with Josh Hawley. So that part of Sinema's pledge is not really relevant, especially to this discussion. I will note, & acknowledge, that she has co-sponsored more bills with Republicans, than I think any other Dem Senator, during her time in office. This does not necessarily prove her to be more open to bipartisanship, than other Democrats; it could just mean that her priorities are closer than most other Dems', to Republican ones. BTW, the Party that has been manifestly unwilling to cross the aisle, has been the Republicans, in general, not Democrats.

    If Sinema were standing up to the Dem Party, for Arizona voters then you would have an argument. Your claim that she has been, "crystal clear," on her objections to the bill, is a false statement; she has, rather, said her not making public, her position, is out of respect to ongoing negotiations. I am willing to take that explanation, in lieu of contradictory evidence. But that is not enough for you to make the claim:
    Unless, of course, you only make this claim out of ignorance. Reporting now informs us, however, that a major objection to the package, which Sinema had, and seems to have won as a concession, was against raising of the corporate tax rate, just back to where it had been, before Trump came to office. This was part of how the bill was intended to PAY FOR ITSELF and NOT add any new debt. It is hard to justify that this was an objection because it was against Arizonans' interests. So the signs are now, that she indeed has been bought.

    Though balancing government expenditures, to not exceed its revenues is a traditional conservative idea, which Sinema's objection will make it harder for the Dems to guarantee will be built into their plan; nevertheless,
    the other possibility, than Sinema being now a bribed, corporate lackey-- and we already knew that she was against allowing Medicare to negotiate lower drug prices, which is a position that only serves the pharmaceutical industry-- would be that she is so constitutionally against the idea of taxing corporations, for any purpose, that she was never really a Democrat, to begin with.
     
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    She is preventing government from merely returning the corporate tax rate to what it was before Trump came into office. This had been part of the Democrats' plan, to not have their bill add any new, government debt. She is also against allowing Medicare from engaging in the distinctly CAPITALIST activity,of negotiating for lower prices, from the pharmaceutical industry. Both of these stances, clearly, have nothing to do with fighting Communism, and everything to do with promoting corporate interests. And those corporations making and keeping more money, has a great cost for all the rest of the country.

    I can't help but wonder why a person would seemingly try to delude themself. Is it out of some fear of reality, or just a distaste for it? And how is it not understood that denial does not change the truth? Or do you promote such a ridiculous idea that Senator Sinema is saving the nation from Communism, knowing full well that it is utter hogwash?
     
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    BIDEN DID NOT BAN FRACKING !!!!!! Fracking was declining during the Dirty Donald era. Our energy industry no longer wans to sink a lot of money into a declining industry.
     
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    You make up nonsense and you STILL expect to be taken seriously? Not gonna happen.

    Sorry dude, you blew it!
     

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