Where is the mandate?

Discussion in 'Coronavirus (COVID-19) News' started by modernpaladin, Oct 12, 2021.

PF does not allow misinformation. However, please note that posts could occasionally contain content in violation of our policies prior to our staff intervening. We urge you to seek reliable alternate sources to verify information you read in this forum.

  1. Eleuthera

    Eleuthera Well-Known Member Donor

    Joined:
    Jun 13, 2015
    Messages:
    22,694
    Likes Received:
    11,760
    Trophy Points:
    113
    I have not read all of your posts here, no.

    But in most of the ones here on the topic of the "covid crisis" you repeat pharma and fauci talking points, sorry.

    You defend and repeat often the official narrative.
     
  2. AmericanNationalist

    AmericanNationalist Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 28, 2013
    Messages:
    41,165
    Likes Received:
    20,940
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    The Supreme Court's opinion however is not unbounded. In fact, the Court limited its own ruling as it says "under the pressure of great dangers". Is Covid-19 relatively speaking, such a danger? Even with the myriad of variants, the COVID-19 spread has continued to slow in its growth, relatively speaking to when we first started. Newer treatments have also come out, reducing both hospitalizations and deaths. Also, the "safety of the general public may demand". What will satisfy this safety, as even with the vaccinations we have breakthrough cases?

    The Court's opinion only holds water if it is such a danger to the public, but since it has not proven to be quite that danger we can summarize that vaccination can be an option, sure, but there should be no obligatory view to remove the individual's rights for the "well-being of the community" if said well being cannot be assured with said action.
     
    Eleuthera likes this.
  3. modernpaladin

    modernpaladin Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Apr 23, 2017
    Messages:
    27,706
    Likes Received:
    21,105
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    If the court is willing to cede the constitution to a public perception of danger then we're all totally F'd. There is no end to the public's fear.
     
    Last edited: Oct 26, 2021
    AmericanNationalist likes this.
  4. AmericanNationalist

    AmericanNationalist Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 28, 2013
    Messages:
    41,165
    Likes Received:
    20,940
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    There's also this. If bodily autonomy can be surrendered by the whims of the State "acting on the public's fear" then bodily autonomy doesn't exist at all. These are the questions that the Court must resolve and where it stands in human history. Will this court repeat the errors of Dred Scott?
     
    modernpaladin likes this.
  5. Woogs

    Woogs Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 6, 2011
    Messages:
    8,382
    Likes Received:
    2,556
    Trophy Points:
    113
    What I'm waiting to see are mandated booster shots. That's the logical next step. And then another and another and......

    Does anybody really believe it will stop at initial vaccination? C'mon, man!!
     
    modernpaladin likes this.
  6. modernpaladin

    modernpaladin Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Apr 23, 2017
    Messages:
    27,706
    Likes Received:
    21,105
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    I'm sure pfizer will say 'stop, we've made enough money' at some point...
     
    Collateral Damage likes this.
  7. WillReadmore

    WillReadmore Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 21, 2013
    Messages:
    59,487
    Likes Received:
    16,351
    Trophy Points:
    113
    I also cite the FDA and the CDC when those are significant to the topic.

    What I DON'T see is you backing your opposition with citations of any kind.
     
  8. WillReadmore

    WillReadmore Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 21, 2013
    Messages:
    59,487
    Likes Received:
    16,351
    Trophy Points:
    113
    If someone wants to dispute the FDA, CDC, WHO, NAIAD, or other component of science based medicine, they need to cite something.
     
  9. WillReadmore

    WillReadmore Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 21, 2013
    Messages:
    59,487
    Likes Received:
    16,351
    Trophy Points:
    113
    LOL!
     
    modernpaladin likes this.
  10. WillReadmore

    WillReadmore Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 21, 2013
    Messages:
    59,487
    Likes Received:
    16,351
    Trophy Points:
    113
    So, you want to claim that the CDC, FDA, NAIAD, WHO and the rest are wrong.

    If you want to try that, you need to cite the study you are proposing as being satisfactory in declaring the clinical trials of all these organizations are wrong.

    Nobody I have seen posting any suggesting that hospitals are promoting false information. But, pretty much no hospitals carry out clinical trials addressing the claims you are making in your post here.
     
  11. Eleuthera

    Eleuthera Well-Known Member Donor

    Joined:
    Jun 13, 2015
    Messages:
    22,694
    Likes Received:
    11,760
    Trophy Points:
    113
    If the court becomes informed that the survival rate of the coronavirus is 99%, then a logical decision might be reached.

    The cynical view is that the survival rate will not be part of the 'argument' before the court. So far, few courts have lived up to Madison's ideal that the judiciary would be the last bulwark against tyranny. I am not optimistic about the way things are going. So far it appears the court is as contaminated with fear and superstition as the other two branches of government. I hope time proves me wrong.
     
  12. WillReadmore

    WillReadmore Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 21, 2013
    Messages:
    59,487
    Likes Received:
    16,351
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Death is NOT the only lasting ramification of COVID.

    So, suggesting death could be the only effect considered is just plain ridiculous.
     
  13. CenterField

    CenterField Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jul 21, 2020
    Messages:
    9,738
    Likes Received:
    8,378
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Do you complain when Pfizer makes money out of Viagra or Zoloft? Or is it only vaccines that bother you? Are you against Capitalism?
     
  14. CenterField

    CenterField Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jul 21, 2020
    Messages:
    9,738
    Likes Received:
    8,378
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    A public perception of danger (implying that it's not dangerous)??? So who are the 763,883 Americans who have died (and counting)? Actors? Dummies? Have you realized that this pandemic killed more Americans than all the major wars we got involved in, combined? Have you realized that it's been the most deadly infectious disease outbreak in absolute numbers, in the entire history of our country, leaving Spanish Flu numbers behind? Have you realized that the death toll is not all, but also, up to 50% of Covid-19 survivors come out of it with at least one organ damaged, when not multiple organs (study by Pennsylvania State University to which I linked before). So the danger is only a perception? Unbelievable.
     
  15. modernpaladin

    modernpaladin Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Apr 23, 2017
    Messages:
    27,706
    Likes Received:
    21,105
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Coercing people to take a vaccine that was paid for by printing extra money isnt 'capitalism...' How many people went out and bought their own vaccine?
     
    Last edited: Oct 29, 2021
  16. CenterField

    CenterField Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jul 21, 2020
    Messages:
    9,738
    Likes Received:
    8,378
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Yes, it is, absolutely. Pretty freaking darn dangerous. See my post above. Sorry if this will offend you, but if I were to disclose here what I think of people who still don't believe that this virus is dangerous, the moderators would sanction me, so I can't.

    By the way, all the talk of "it's going down anyway" - when did I hear this? Let's see. Once, after the initial surge. Then twice, after the second surge. Then three times, after the third surge. Then four times, after the fourth surge. And now I'm hearing it again, fifth time, now that the fifth surge is subsiding.

    Are you really sure that there won't be a sixth one, a seventh one...?
     
    Last edited: Oct 29, 2021
  17. CenterField

    CenterField Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jul 21, 2020
    Messages:
    9,738
    Likes Received:
    8,378
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Who is being coerced?
     
  18. modernpaladin

    modernpaladin Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Apr 23, 2017
    Messages:
    27,706
    Likes Received:
    21,105
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    govt employees, govt contractors, workers with 100 or more coworkers... you know, the mandates you disagree with. Mandates are coercive.
     
    gfm7175 likes this.
  19. CenterField

    CenterField Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jul 21, 2020
    Messages:
    9,738
    Likes Received:
    8,378
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Oh, so, the National Guard and/or the cops are pinning people down and sticking needles in them? I didn't know! That is despicable! So sorry for being misinformed!

    Because, silly me, I was thinking that any worker with 100 or more co-workers can opt out by getting tested, and this, if and when this recommendation (it's not a mandate if there is a clear and simple opt-out clause) that is not even in force yet, applies. Government employees and contractors who don't have the opt-out, can perfectly go work elsewhere if they so desire; and I thought you conservatives upheld the right of employers to set conditions of employment. You want to work for the Feds? You need to comply with the Feds' conditions for employment (and vaccines have been a part of it, forever and ever - there are many others, such as background checks, fingerprinting, etc.).

    You know what this outcry is? Much ado about nothing. Nobody is being forced to get vaccinated. People have other options at their disposition.
     
  20. gfm7175

    gfm7175 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 2, 2018
    Messages:
    9,492
    Likes Received:
    4,828
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    In order to be a liberal, one has to pretend not to know things. Thus, in order to remain being a liberal, he has to pretend not to know about any of the vaccine coercion that is taking place.
     
  21. modernpaladin

    modernpaladin Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Apr 23, 2017
    Messages:
    27,706
    Likes Received:
    21,105
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    The test-out option has been revoked. Its now one of the possible accomodations one can request only when applying for a religious exemption, which arguably also constitutes discrimination against nonreligious people.

    And I didnt say force, I said coerce.
     
    Last edited: Oct 29, 2021
  22. CenterField

    CenterField Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jul 21, 2020
    Messages:
    9,738
    Likes Received:
    8,378
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    The test-out option has been revoked from where? The "mandate" has not even been released by OSHA yet, that I know. Maybe my info is outdated.
     
  23. Collateral Damage

    Collateral Damage Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 21, 2012
    Messages:
    10,535
    Likes Received:
    8,149
    Trophy Points:
    113
    While I am sure I must have missed it, are there rules in place that people are being required to receive Viagra or Zoloft at the government's coercion, or lose their job? Be allowed to attend entertainment, or gather in groups?
     
  24. Robert

    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Aug 16, 2014
    Messages:
    68,085
    Likes Received:
    17,134
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Why are you so subservient because it is Government?
    If a neighbor demanded you be injected, would you obey him or her?
     
  25. modernpaladin

    modernpaladin Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Apr 23, 2017
    Messages:
    27,706
    Likes Received:
    21,105
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Biden announced the test-out option would be nixxed shortly after announcing it would be allowed.

    "There is no longer an option for regular testing in lieu of vaccination. Executive Order No. 14042: Federal Contractors Executive Order 14042 applies to federal contractors and raises the question as to who exactly is considered a federal contractor and subject to these requirements.
    The Federal Vaccine Mandate …
    www.ccul.org/click-here-list/5392-the …"
     

Share This Page