U.S. judge blocks enforcement of near-total abortion ban in Texas

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  1. FoxHastings

    FoxHastings Well-Known Member

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    I do enjoy your reposting of my post showing how wrong you are!

    See, in English they have different words for different things. Different words have different meanings and you can't just wave a magic wand and say one word is exactly the same as another.

    There are two words, "alive" and "life" and they do not mean the same thing no matter how much you try to squirm out of it...:)

    NO ONE SAID THE ZEF WASN'T ALIVE AND NO ONE SAID THE ZEF WASN'T LIFE.......



    :) Please keep demonstrating how wrong you are


    FoxHastings said:
    I call a ZEF a ZEF because that's what it is...why are you terrified to call it what it is???

    Do you refer to teenagers as toddlers? Really!!


    LOL, so everything on earth has "only a label"...nothing has a name, just a "label" ?? HILARIOUS!


    .Oh, I am sorry you don't seem to know the difference between a baby and a teenager....maybe you could find someone to explain...so you don't try to burp a teenager and hire a baby to babysit that teen !!!!:roflol::roflol::roflol:




    Your continued, attempts to paint my response as anything other what I actually said demonstrate the inability on your part to do anything but make things up,


    I call a ZEF a ZEF because that's what it is...why are you terrified to call it what it is???

    Do you refer to teenagers as toddlers? Really!!


    LOL, so everything on earth has "only a label"...nothing has a name, just a "label" ?? HILARIOUS!


    .Oh, I am sorry you don't seem to know the difference between a baby and a teenager....maybe you could find someone to explain...so you don't try to burp a teenager and hire a baby to babysit that teen !!!!:roflol::roflol:



    Nope, here's the crux and the point and the proof:

    YOU posted : """ you say it's not alive"""

    ...and NO ONE SAID IT WASN'T ALIVE....NO ONE.....and you NEVER proved anyone did ...

    so you were WRONG.



    I have NEVER said the ZEF is not alive as you AGAIN claim here :

    YOU: """your inability to classify the "zef" as alive. """"


    YOU HAVE NO PROOF I EVER SAID THAT




    I do enjoy your reposting of my post showing how wrong you are!

    See, in English they have different words for different things. Different words have different meanings and you can't just wave a magic wand and say one word is exactly the same as another.

    There are two words, "alive" and "life" and they do not mean the same thing no matter how much you try to squirm out of it...:)
     
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  2. Patricio Da Silva

    Patricio Da Silva Well-Known Member Donor

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    Apparently what all the sources are saying is wrong and you are right.

    Got it.
     
  3. FoxHastings

    FoxHastings Well-Known Member

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    What are you talking about? They aren't getting special protection, quite the opposite.


    And I wouldn't.... why would they be?

    Do you think heart surgery is more important than pediatrics and neo-natal care ? HMMMMMMMMMMM????
     
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    Performing a MEDICAL PROCEDURE in FULL ACCORDANCE with ACCEPTED medical guidelines is NOT a basis for a LAWSUIT under NORMAL circumstances.

    The TX BAN on abortion CREATES a LAWSUIT where NONE would EXIST under NORMAL circumstances.

    So NO "special protections" are being provided to abortion doctors although given how many have been MURDERED by fanatical Christian ZEALOTS they certainly do DESERVE to be PHYSICALLY protected.

    Instead what the TX BAN on abortions has done is LEGITIMIZE FRIVOLOUS lawsuits.

    That is WHY this TX BAN on abortions is an ATTEMPT to VIOLATE the Law of the Land and MUST be TRASHED by the SCrOTUS.
     
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  5. Patricio Da Silva

    Patricio Da Silva Well-Known Member Donor

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    Making it a tort still constitutes a ban.

    Torts are causes of action, they are acts the law considers wrong and shouldn't be committed for which punitive damages could be awarded.

    https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=1005243

    Privatizing Bans on Abortion: Eviscerating Constitutional Rights through Tort Remedies
    Temple Law Review, Vol. 80, p. 123, 2007
    Univ. of San Francisco Law Research Paper No. 2010-05



    Abstract
    State governments have devised a new means to evade the Constitution. Their new means is to enact tort statutes that, in effect, ban constitutionally protected conduct.


    Remember what I said about 'effective ban' ?

    This validates my prior statement.
     
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  6. ToughTalk

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    Well then I'm glad you finally agree that a zef is life separate from the mother, although reliant on the mother for survival. Now that you agree with that concept, maybe you can treat it with the responsibility and respect it deserves?

    :)
     
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  7. FoxHastings

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    FoxHastings said:
    I do enjoy your reposting of my post showing how wrong you are!

    See, in English they have different words for different things. Different words have different meanings and you can't just wave a magic wand and say one word is exactly the same as another.

    There are two words, "alive" and "life" and they do not mean the same thing no matter how much you try to squirm out of it...:)
    NO ONE SAID THE ZEF WASN'T ALIVE AND NO ONE SAID THE ZEF WASN'T LIFE.......



    :) Please keep demonstrating how wrong you are



    FoxHastings said:
    I call a ZEF a ZEF because that's what it is...why are you terrified to call it what it is???

    Do you refer to teenagers as toddlers? Really!!


    LOL, so everything on earth has "only a label"...nothing has a name, just a "label" ?? HILARIOUS!


    .Oh, I am sorry you don't seem to know the difference between a baby and a teenager....maybe you could find someone to explain...so you don't try to burp a teenager and hire a baby to babysit that teen !!!!:roflol::roflol::roflol:




    Your continued, attempts to paint my response as anything other what I actually said demonstrate the inability on your part to do anything but make things up,


    I call a ZEF a ZEF because that's what it is...why are you terrified to call it what it is???

    Do you refer to teenagers as toddlers? Really!!


    LOL, so everything on earth has "only a label"...nothing has a name, just a "label" ?? HILARIOUS!


    .Oh, I am sorry you don't seem to know the difference between a baby and a teenager....maybe you could find someone to explain...so you don't try to burp a teenager and hire a baby to babysit that teen !!!!:roflol::roflol:



    Nope, here's the crux and the point and the proof:

    YOU posted : """ you say it's not alive"""

    ...and NO ONE SAID IT WASN'T ALIVE....NO ONE.....and you NEVER proved anyone did ...

    so you were WRONG.



    I have NEVER said the ZEF is not alive as you AGAIN claim here :

    YOU: """your inability to classify the "zef" as alive. """"


    YOU HAVE NO PROOF I EVER SAID THAT



    I do enjoy your reposting of my post showing how wrong you are! :)


    See, in English they have different words for different things. Different words have different meanings and you can't just wave a magic wand and say one word is exactly the same as another.

    There are two words, "alive" and "life" and they do not mean the same thing no matter how much you try to squirm out of it...:)


    I never said that.

    Your continued, attempts to paint my response as anything other what I actually said demonstrate the inability on your part to do anything but make things up,

    AND NEVER ADMIT YOU WERE WRONG ABOUT WHAT POSTERS SAID

    LOL, coming from one who has no respect for women's right to their own bodies!!! HILARIOUS...[/QUOTE]
     
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  8. ToughTalk

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    So then it's not a separate "life" then?

    Ok then the statement applies! Thanks for playing.

    :)
     
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  9. FoxHastings

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    NO, it isn't.

    :) Thanks for reposting all my posts that show you have no proof of anything you say ....:) thanks for playing...
     
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    I read what the law said. The law is right. "Sources" seem to be emotional responses
     
  11. Polydectes

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    There is no ban
     
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    if you haven't been able to sue them over what you're now allowed to see them for yes they are.


    That's not comparable to abortion.
     
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    no it doesn't constitute a ban you consume a neurosurgeon or heart surgeon for what they do in the operating room that doesn't mean that we've banned neurology or cardiothoracic surgery.
     
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    A human zygote and a human embryo and a human fetus are also humans, human beings and babies what's your point? Why are you so terrified to use that latter three and call that unborn life what it is?
     
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    If only they had the same attitude toward the constitution itself as they do toward the rulings of their predecessors.

    Lots of bad judgments have stood for decades, is it any consolation to you that Citizen's United has stood for over a decade, through both blue and red administrations?

    A bad ruling is a bad ruling.
     
  16. Derideo_Te

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    DENIALISM does NOT alter FACTUAL reality one iota.

    Sad!
     
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    Reality is that there is no man you can say it a thousand times it won't make it so.
     
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    That makes NO SENSE whatsoever!

    Are YOU denying that the OBJECTIVE behind the NEFARIOUS TX abortion law was to EFFECTIVELY ban abortion once a "heartbeat" is "detected"?

    Because that is the AGENDA of those WAGING their WAR on WOMEN.

    FACTS matter!
     
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    it's really simple this law isn't a ban no matter how many times you say it's a ban it won't ever be a ban
    it seems the objective behind it is to stop the genocide on unborn children I don't think that's nefarious.

    It may not line up with your beliefs but saying anything different than what you believe is nefarious is rather self-centered
    you're the one that doesn't seem to think facts matter. You're dreaming up this conspiracy against women. You're the one saying it's a band it's not. If facts matter then why don't they matter?
     
  20. Patricio Da Silva

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    10 years versus 50?

    Hard to say. One (CU) could be just years of a right wing court. But R v W, survived under all political leanings. I sincerely doubt CU would have survived under a 5/4 court if the 5 were left leaning, but R v W did survive under a right leaning court. Under a 6/3 court, the swing vote is no more, and that, in my view, is a tragedy for America.

    I stand by my comment.

    The big criticism of R v W is not that it effectively legalizes abortion, but the path the SCOTUS took to get there.

    I don't care, as long as it is legalized, and the terms of R v W are logical and fair.
     
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    Thank you for ESTABLISHING that YOU are NOT informed as to the RELEVANT facts.

    https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/09/gop-war-on-women-in-congress-213209/

    https://www.gq.com/story/the-republicans-war-on-women-is-a-clear-and-present-danger

    https://www.salon.com/2021/09/08/th...p-governors-may-doom-republicans-in-congress/

    The REPUBLICAN War AGAINST Women has been RAGING for a LONG time now.

    FACTS matter!
     
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    Well, the law is wrong in that it is unconstitutional ( as long as R v W stands ) and your interpretation of it is also wrong.
     
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    Your premise that a tort can't be a ban is wrong. ( which you implied by stating it must be criminal to be a ban)

    A tort can create a ban.

    See #530:

    Making it a tort still constitutes a ban.

    Torts are causes of action, they are acts the law considers wrong and shouldn't be committed for which punitive damages could be awarded.

    https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=1005243

    Privatizing Bans on Abortion: Eviscerating Constitutional Rights through Tort Remedies
    Temple Law Review, Vol. 80, p. 123, 2007
    Univ. of San Francisco Law Research Paper No. 2010-05



    Abstract
    State governments have devised a new means to evade the Constitution. Their new means is to enact tort statutes that, in effect, ban constitutionally protected conduct.


    Remember what I said about 'effective ban' ?

    This validates my prior statement.


     
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    I just showed you a legal scholarly treatise validating the fact that a tort can be a ban.

    https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=1005243

    You choose to ignore it.

    Therefore, henceforth I choose to ignore you, because that is what ignorance deserves.

    Congratulations.
     
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    FoxHastings said:
    I call a ZEF a ZEF because that's what it is...why are you terrified to call it what it is???
     
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