Massie To Garland: Did Any Federal Agents Or Assets Enter The Capitol Or Incite Riot On January 6?

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  1. Moolk

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    I was completely accurate, your anger doesnt' change that.
     
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    Oh no he entered their heads and instructed them to riot his spoken words were a feint according to the left.
     
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    He told them their democracy is being stolen, told them to fight, then marched them up to the doors of congress. Yah I’m sure he had no idea how that would play out
     
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    You can tell the right is concerned if the FBI has infiltrated their terrorist network.
     
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    First it's Trump had everybody mesmerized to do his bidding, now it's "We didn't claim that!"....PRICELESS! :roflol:
     
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  6. Talon

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    Lost on you?

    Why so?

    You're okay with federal agents inciting riots with impunity? Why am I not surprised?

    Thank you Captain Obvious, or is it Major Redundancy? That information has already been posted.

    Given the fact you've climbed down into the sandbox and launched a stream of ad hominem attacks at Rep. Massie it's obvious that this upsets you, which might explain why you have furiously and repeatedly avoided the elephant that everyone else can see in the room, but the very first question/point Rep. Massie brought to Garland's attention was the matter concerning an individual (Ray Epps) whose identity has been known to public for quite some time and was caught inciting people to go into the Capitol in not one but numerous videos, but has never been arrested and charged with inciting a riot, or as Leftists breathlessly contend, inciting an "insurrection" and "threatening our democracy". Furthermore, as you should have noticed by now, this man magically disappeared from a Capitol Violence Most Wanted List the day after questions surfaced regarding the alleged protection of one of Mr. Epps' associates.

    To belabor the obvious, Rep. Massie did not only AG Garland a favor bringing the case of Mr. Epps' incitement and impunity to the AG's attention - assuming Garland is actually interested in holding lawbreakers accountable for their actions, and I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt here - he more importantly did the American people a favor bringing this to our attention in a public forum where everyone could see it.

    Upset?

    Boo-****ing-hoo.

    Yes, let's set you straight, shall we?

    Why did you dishonestly attempt to put words in my mouth by suggesting in terms that you fabricated whole cloth, that I am somehow surprised or mystified by Merrick Garland's refusal to answer Rep. Massie's questions?

    Obviously, that's a rhetorical question - I already know the answer - and since you have taken the liberty of providing me with an unsolicited "suggestion" I'll return the favor: Keep your "suggestions", i.e., thinly veiled personal attacks, to your yourself. They're not clever, but they are a violation of this forum's TOS.
     
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  7. balancing act

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    You give Trump too much credit here. He didn't have the gonads to march them to the Capitol building. He made them THINK he was with them, said he would be there, but he got in his limousine and went to the White House to watch on tv. He let his supporters take all the heat and blame and didn't utter a word about stopping for over 90 minutes, then it was a weak "Oh, stop it" statement. Even when he put out the video 3 hours later, it was a weak statement.
    What a leader he is!
     
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  8. balancing act

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    Upon further review, I did some research last night and it appears that the idea that this guy was an FBI agent or informant is not based on any facts at all. If someone knows of such, please post the link, because it appears that it all came from speculation from RW internet sites.
    It may turn out different with an investigation, but right now it is BS.
     
  9. Talon

    Talon Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Speculation yes, but based on the questions Rep. Massie posed to AG Garland at last Thursday's hearing in Congress it's clear that all the speculation isn't confined to RW internet sites (as if such confinement proved anything). Furthermore, I found the "Meet Ray Epps" article at RealClearPolitics, which is a non-partisan website.

    As for your review and research, I take it you have a statement from the DOJ or FBI denying any association and/or involvement with Mr. Epps and an explanation why he hasn't been arrested, hasn't been charged and vanished off the Capitol Violence Most Wanted List, even though his incitement and identity have been documented?

    Until I'm convinced otherwise, the only BS I have been able to ascertain is the curious situation surrounding Mr. Epps and the government's refusal to disclose information to the public, such as the videos a judge ordered released last month.
     
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    I'll agree that it is very curious.
    No, there is no statement from the DOJ or FBI denying or confirming anything regarding Mr. Epps.
    I assume he wasn't arrested and charged because he didn't actually breach the Capitol building. In fact, in the video with him at the Capitol Building, he seems to be actually trying stop people from attacking the barriers and police. He was taken off of the Capitol Violence list, but from what I read that wasn't anything unusual, as it is a list of people they are searching for, but apparently they found him.
    Judging from what I could find, he appears to be a non-government employee citizen who went to the rally, ran his mouth a little, but did not participate in the assault on the Capitol building and Capitol police. I haven't seen anything saying that he had anything to do with the FBI except for some speculation and assumptions from situations that could have (and more likely do) other explanations that aren't sinister. If I was afraid of every possibility on a daily basis, I would be in constant fear.
    No, thanks.........
     
  11. Talon

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    It's all part of the Last Jedi's nefarious mind tricks. :eek:

    Here he is caught on the night of January 5th conspiring with several of his villainous accomplices:

    darth-trump-625x326.jpg

    :D
     
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    EVERYTHING is a conspiracy against republicans isnt it…….

    JFC its getting ridiculously transparent.
     
  14. Hoosier8

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    Maybe if you paid attention you would be educated on this.
     
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    Just so I’m clear here….your saying that you now believe that Donald Trumps federal government, incited a riot to to try to help him keep his presidency, but that this is all a democratic plot by AG Merrick Garland who was installed 3 months after the riot took place…..

    I weep for this country. The right in this country is just gd nuts. This grand experiment is over when one side is majority rubes
     
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    No…..if YOU actually paid attention…..

    Lies are not education. Conspiracy is not education. education is FACTS, and something the right in this country is sorely devoid of
     
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    Facts don’t care about your feelings.
     
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    Good, then find some. I’m all ears.

    P.S. Facts require proof…..not just “well my brothers wife’s second cousin twice removed knows a guy who was alive on Jan6th, and he said……”
     
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    Huh?

    Apparently, you completely missed the point of the post that you responded to.
    No biggie, you are entitled to your opinion.:handshake:

    In any event, it appears that you still HAVEN'T gotten the point.

    Let's try again, as we explore Garland's strict following of agency policy in refusing to answer Massie's questions regarding an ongoing investigation.

    In case you missed it.

    Here is a GENERAL Observation on the Mindset of Garland's Critics.
    And, is not meant to be taken personally by anyone.
    This is merely a General Observation on the Convoluted Misplaced "Logic" being exhibited by some the Anti-Garland Crowd.

    Once again, in case you missed it.

    Event: Garland says he can't answer question about an ongoing investigation.
    Event: IDIOT Congressman asks Garland to answer questions about ongoing investigation.
    Event: Garland reiterates that he can't answer questions involving an ongoing investigation.

    Delusional Misinformed Take:

    "Lookie Here! Garland won't answer questions!"


    You literally could not make this stuff up.

    Even The Onion would reject something so ridiculous (even as parody) because no one could possibly take Rep. Massie's Delusional BS seriously.

    And, what is even more comically mind-boggling:

    Some people actually want to hang their hat on that "Garland Won't Answer Questions" BS.

    Unreal.:smh:
    ___________

    One either gets it or they don't.
    I guess we will have to agree to disagree.
    Feel free to take the last word.
    One either gets it or they don't.
    Have a nice day.:salute:
     
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  20. Talon

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    I don't know who you're talking to, but is that what Thomas Massie stated, asked or suggested when he was speaking with Garland at last Thursday's hearing?

    And what does any of that have to do with how an individual whose incitement and identity have been established but somehow managed to elude arrest and prosecution by "one of the most sweeping investigations in history" that we're being told Merrick Garland is conducting?

    PS. There never was anything such thing as "Donald Trumps federal government".
     
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  21. Bluesguy

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    The guy could and should be charged with incitement to commit a crime from what I hear him saying. The question is with all the other arrest that have been made why not him?
     
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    Yeah pretty standard political rhetoric and protest in DC happen routinely even around the Capital. You are claiming he somehow sent them a telepathic message to overthrow the government.
     
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    And now Biden and the Garland DOJ are blocking Republican efforts to ACTUALLY find out what happened that day and why a peaceful protest turned into a riot and that was allowed to enter the Capital.

    EXCLUSIVE: Biden FBI Joins Pelosi In Blocking GOP From Investigating January 6

    The leading Republican tasked with his party’s investigation into the preparedness and response of the U.S. Capitol Police and other law enforcement agencies to the Capitol riot on January 6 is being blocked by President Joseph Biden’s FBI from gathering information, a new document reveals.

    The FBI told Indiana Republican Rep. Jim Banks it would not provide Republicans the same information provided to House Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s hand-picked committee consisting only of Democrat-appointed members.

    “We respectfully refer you to the Select Committee regarding issues of access to records and information,” the agency wrote in response to a Republican request for information, referring to the official House panel established by the speaker.

    Pelosi took what she admitted was an “unprecedented” step of refusing the appointments made by Republican Leader Kevin McCarthy, barring Navy officer and Afghanistan veteran Banks and Judiciary Committee Ranking Member Rep. Jim Jordan, R-Ohio, from participation. In a fiery denunciation of Pelosi’s politicization of the committee, McCarthy, R-Calif., publicly announced Banks would lead Republicans’ investigation despite Pelosi blowing up the committee....
    https://thefederalist.com/2021/10/2...in-blocking-gop-from-investigating-january-6/

    [They also wrote to Wray specifically]

    "...“Pursuant to the rules of the House of Representatives, the minority party in Congress retains the rights to the same information that is provided to the majority party,” Banks wrote in another letter to Wray on Sept. 16, which was also sent to several other federal agencies such as the Interior Department. “I ask that you provide me any information that is submitted to the Select Committee.” His requests have been met with radio silence across the Biden administration."

    And were turned down.

    "Democrats’ committee was ostensibly created “to investigate and report upon” the objective “facts and causes relating to the preparedness and response of the United States Capitol Police and other Federal, State, and local law enforcement” in the course of the Capitol riot as outlined by the committee’s establishing resolution. Yet Pelosi’s commission has instead targeted private citizens who exercised their constitutional right of free assembly by applying for and receiving a permit to hold a peaceful protest on the day of the riot. The constitutionality of the committee’s actions is in question, since Congress is not one of the branches of government tasked with investigating alleged crimes of private citizens."

    More in the link.
     
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    Yep they did it on their own.
     
  25. balancing act

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    That's a good question. Someone posted earlier that they are only charging those who actually entered the premises of the Capitol Building, which would explain this case. Not sure what they could charge him with realistically. Inciting a crime is tough to get convicted. If it were that easy, Guiliani would be in jail.
    Honestly, I feel a little sorry for him. He got in the middle of something way over his head, he wanted to brag and talk big, but when they got actually in front of the Capitol, he didn't want people to attack the police and barricades. I think it bothered him.
    Again, this and many other questions remain about what happened that day and in the days around Jan 6th.
    I would welcome a comprehensive investigation into the whole enchilada and let the chips fall where they may.
     

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