ERs are now swamped with seriously ill patients — but many don’t even have COVIDWhat if......

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  1. Bearack

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    Inside the emergency department at Sparrow Hospital in Lansing, Mich., staff members are struggling to care for patients who are showing up much sicker than they’ve ever seen.

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    But now, they’re too full. Even in parts of the country where COVID-19 isn’t overwhelming the health system, patients are showing up to the ER sicker than they were before the pandemic, their diseases more advanced and in need of more complicated care.


    Months of treatment delays have exacerbated chronic conditions and worsened symptoms. Doctors and nurses say the severity of illness ranges widely and includes abdominal pain, respiratory problems, blood clots, heart conditions and suicide attempts, among others.


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    The number of ER patients is mostly back to normal, but patients are so much sicker
    This isn’t just happening at Sparrow.


    “We are hearing from members in every part of the country,” says Dr. Lisa Moreno, president of the American Academy of Emergency Medicine (AAEM). “The Midwest, the South, the Northeast, the West … they are seeing this exact same phenomenon.”


    Although the number of ER visits returned to pre-coronavirus levels this past summer, admission rates, from the ER to the hospital’s inpatient floors, are still almost 20% higher. That’s according to the most recent analysis by the Epic Health Research Network, which pulls data from more than 120 million patients across the country.


    “It’s an early indicator that what’s happening in the ED is that we’re seeing more acute cases than we were pre-pandemic,” says Caleb Cox, a data scientist at Epic.


    Less acute cases, such as people suffering from health issues like rashes or conjunctivitis, still aren’t going to the ER as much as they used to. Instead, they may be opting for an urgent care center or their primary care doctor, Cox explains. Meanwhile, there has been an increase in people coming to the ER with more serious conditions, like strokes and heart attacks.

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    Burnout feeds staffing shortages, and vice versa, in a vicious cycle

    Every morning, Dusang wakes up and checks her Sparrow email with one singular hope: that she will not see yet another nurse resignation letter in her inbox.


    “I cannot tell you how many of them [the nurses] tell me they went home crying” after their shifts, she says. “And you just hope they show up the next day for more.”


    But despite Dusang’s best efforts to support her staffers, check on them regularly, talk with them about their careers and make them feel seen, heard and appreciated, she cannot stop them from quitting. And they’re leaving too fast to replace, either to take higher-paying gigs as travel nurses, to try a less-stressful type of nursing or to simply walk away from the profession entirely.


    Midway through the afternoon shift at Sparrow, a nurse breaks down sobbing. A fellow nurse, Amy Harvey, pulls her into a corner and reminds her to take deep breaths.


    “Everybody has a breaking point,” Harvey says. “It just depends on the day and the situation. … Mine could be in three days. Something comes in that just hits home for some reason, and I need a minute to go take a deep breath.”

    An interesting article on many levels and I posted allot, however the article is fairly large.

    We are seeing now a huge serge in severe illnesses unrelated to COVID which could be a product of isolation or that we have seriously compromised our immune systems.

    On top of that, we are now firing that same people we once held as heroes because there is concerns with the science behind the vaccines and that the science of natural immunity is 100% being ignored, putting even more strain onto the nurses who remain.

    We are seeing the fruits of bad decisions as we continue to make seriously poor decisions, putting our already weak system into chaos.
     
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    I suggest we stop worrying about number of cases to ease the load on the hospital system.:roll:
     
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    9royhobbs Well-Known Member

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    What bad decisions and what are the continuing poor decisions?
     
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    this is the problem, covid overwhelms the medical system and people that need care have to wait - get the vaccine folks
     
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    Firing nurses because they prefer natural immunity over a test vaccine maybe?
     
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    Ah... didn't read the article I see....
     
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    We know vaccines are only a "stop gap". They last for about 6 months and they do not stop the transmission. Hopefully, they are lessening the impact when people do get sick.

    The problem is that people are not going to the Hospital. They are not making their regular check ups. They are not getting medical care early and whatever ails them is allowed to fester and get worse. This is the result.

    This is only going to get worse and worse as the Democrats force Medical Workers from treating patients with their idiotic anti-Science vaccine mandates.
     
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    Thats certainly interesting, given this study that found that the covid vaccine may be reducing our immunity to other disease that arent covid.
    https://www.news-medical.net/news/2...ccine-reprograms-innate-immune-responses.aspx
     
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    Maybe not. Nurses should know better.
    Btw, it's no longer a "test" vaccine.
     
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    I've been curious WHY, why are nurses so reluctant to take the jab :) Even here don of my Nieces have taken the jab one works ER, another works admittance and the other in the baby barn..

    I know why I'm just being coy ;)
     
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    What MORE interesting is the disclaimer at the end of your article
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    * Important Notice
    medRxiv publishes preliminary scientific reports that are not peer-reviewed and, therefore, should not be regarded as conclusive, guide clinical practice/health-related behavior, or treated as established information."

    Guess you didn't read that........or didn't pay attention just to make a point........which now has zero meaning. Well done.
     
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    Like I said, they should know better.
    They haven't told you why they have not? Find it hard to believe.
     
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    i very deliberately used the word may

    not peer reviewed means the results of the research have yet to be confirmed or debunked.
     
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    It will always be a test vaccine until ALL the data is out. A few simple facts that it doesn't prevent spread, doesn't prevent death, doesn't prevent contraction and is now being slated for a FOURTH booster tells us all, it doesn't provide lasting protection....

    But you keep on taking the money makers reports on how wonderful you will feel after booster TEN lmfao :)
     
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    All are very valid points. I also believe that by our isolation we have weakened our immune system. It was a bad choice in my opinion
     
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    They do, you don't ;)

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    LOL. People in the medical field "should know better" because you say so...

    Also, it isn't a vaccine at all, it's a medicine to treat symptoms. Nothing more, nothing less. We need to stop calling it a vaccine as that is just a politically driven term used by people who desire control over others and give more credence to the forced product than it's really worth.
     
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    I did, my post still stands, do you find anything wrong with it?
     
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    They do know better.. They are literally front line workers that deal with the effects of covid and any adverse effects from the vaccine. All these same nurses get their Flu vaccine each year so they are NOT anti vaccine.
     
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    If you had, you'd note that the inundation is a mixture of non-COVID and COVID and mentions nothing about those with COVID not being vaccinated as well as the non-COVID that are experiencing immune issues also being vaccinated.

    You are making assumptions of their status.
     
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    that is not the issue, the issue is they fell behind because of covid, these people did not get the help they needed sooner
     
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    You are arguing two different points now... You should pick one and stick with it.
     
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    both of those say the say thing, just worded differently
     
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    So then why even post it? What's the point?
     
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    Really, didn't know that is your call.
    It does
    It does
    It does
    No, what that tells you is that because people aren't getting vaccinated that the virus WILL mutate and more protection is needed.
     
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