Was Trump our worst president?

Robert has freely admitted to being an ultra partisan political hack all his life. He was an ultra partisan Democrat for decades before becoming an unapologetic ultra partisan Republican as he is now. His beliefs all come from whatever party he is supporting at this time. No real thoughts of his own.

 

I would have thought Obama was the worst. He's responsible for the rebirth of racism and division .. and almost single-handedly regressed Black America to powerlessness. While there is much going on the world which neither Trump nor Biden can really change, Obama created the fractured nation upon which current world events fell. That equates to disaster.

 

Pretty nasty comments if.you ask me.

How is Katie Hill doing?

 

She is probably munching on some carpet....

 

She can count on your vote.

 

She is not running, but I will vote for anyone running against the Trumpist moron the GOP is running in my district next year.

 

I viewed that day as the day the D party left the American worker and joined the R party in representing corporations.

 

Obama is the worst. His economy was a disaster. His reluctance to fight ISIS till his final year in office caused thousands of deaths, created millions of Muslims to leave their homes and flee to Europe to save their lives. We wound up taking in hundreds of thousands too and Europe and America will never be the same again.

His helping to get rid of Libya's Qaddafi and then just walking away, allowing terrorist and ISIS to ravish the country caused the death of our Ambassador and three other Americans. Why didn't he pull our embassy out like many other countries did? He and Hillary knew the condition Libya was in. They never even called them to see how things were going, or if they needed more help. As it was, our Ambassador did call for help almost a dozen times, but it seems the calls went to Hillary's African office and she never received them. But if they had called them, they would have known they needed help or be taken out.

Even his health care plan was a disaster. It was set up to receive government subsidies till Obama term was up and then it was to pay for it's self. It has never come close to paying for it's self. Insurance companies were dropping out like flies. To this day we are feeding it billions in subsidies just to keep it afloat.

There is almost nothing Obama did that was right, but many think he is one of the 10 best Presidents we ever had and Trump is the worst. Trump did more to help America in just 4 years than Obama did in 8.

 

Trump was nowhere near your worst president. Neither was Obama. People who think he was, have little knowledge of your country's history.

 

Most, if not all, of those who consider Trump the worst, place a heavy emphasis on his anti-democratic bent, in trying to both subvert our system of government, in his attempt to derail the proper transfer of power to President Joe Biden, as well as to undermine trust in our governmental systems. I have posted, elsewhere on PF, about presidents like Andrew Jackson, who betrayed our Constitution, in ignoring the Supreme Court's ruling on the issue of our breaking our treaty with the Cherokee Nation (leading to the "trail of tears," which is a shameful part of U.S. history), and who received, as his "comeuppance," having his face put in the $20 bill; so I understand what you are saying about us having had other bad presidents. Trump did not lead us into a war, under false pretenses, as did LBJ, or G.W. Bush (and don't get me started on Woodrow Wilson) so, if the Trump chapter were now closed, I could appreciate your remark. However, Trump has continued on his Constitutionally corrosive path, along with his co-conspirators, in a clear preparation for a 2024 run, in which he aims to have allies in the necessary positions of power, to then be successful in overturning the will of the people, expressed through the vote, should that be necessary for his re-ascent to the presidency-- in which endeavor, he'd failed, the first time. So this is still a history, in progress.

Trump's casting doubt on our process of voting, alone, qualifies him as one of our worst presidents. If his divisive plans come to a head in 2024, with some state legislature, for example, invalidating the vote of its populace, to instead send their own electors, chosen to vote for Trump, though he had lost that state's popular vote, then the crisis which results from that, could very well warrant his claim to the title of, "worst U.S. President." We will have to wait, to see how this all pans out, before any final judgement can be rendered on Trump's place, in history.

 

You just can’t make up a disconnect like this. It’s mind boggling.

 

Can you be more coherent, in what you are alleging? Are you saying that the recent laws that legislatures have passed, giving themselves the power to do exactly this-- throw out popular votes, and send their own particular slate of electors-- have no connection to the reality that Trump's team had been working for that exact circumstance, and still is, after the fact, in a couple of states?

If so, it is your own blindness, which can more properly called, "mind-boggling."

 

Link?

 

Trump claimed the election was stolen from him. Many of his supporters thought so too. So ya, that is pretty divisive. But.... You also had an actual civil war.

 

This thread's question, just to remind you, is not, "is this the most divided, that Americans have ever been?" though that is what your post seems to be addressing. That is, of course, unless you are putting the blame for our Civil War, all on Lincoln's shoulders. To be clear, if that is your meaning, I am certainly willing to hear your argument, with a sympathetic ear. But you would need to supply something of an argument. The underlying cause of our Civil War, as you are probably aware, was a nearly impossible situation to expect any of the presidents along the way, to have been able to eliminate. The economies of Southern States ran on the backs of slave labor. There were not seen to be other options, as today, for example, there are more alternatives to at least begin transitioning towards, for those people, & states, that rely on the fossil fuel industry.

So my question is, what is the point or relevance of your remark, as it relates to this thread?

 

What disaster where? The only disaster is republicans refusing to get vaccinated and missinforming the world as much as possible.

 

Wonder why that’s a problem when it’s proven the vaccinated can spread Covid as easily? Evidently you do have your eyes closed.

 

Yes, Trump is surely the worst.

Other Presidents have been incompetents. Some have even been evil bastards, they have cost us untold treasure and lives. But Trump alone has come within a hairsbreadth of ending us as a Free Republic. He's put our nation in FAR more jeopardy of becoming a genuine dictatorship than ANY other I can think of, and that INCLUDES Jackson. (Jackson was this towering figure who presided over the perfect storm that made the USA a world power and nearly destroyed it in the process. I'm at pains to make this clear because I am sure his ghost is right now debating whether he should rise up out of the ground and horsewhip me into the street for even mentioning his name in the same breath.)

One of the persistent mysteries about the USA is why we have not become a dictatorship ruled by a series of strongmen. Almost every one of the other former New World Colonies has had this happen; indeed it is a phenomena so pronounced it has a name. Caudillismo or the "Man on Horseback" syndrome is a salient feature of the history of every significant nation in the Western Hemisphere, save one.

Or we were the single exception until now, and Trump's baleful influence may be far from over. His Cult, formerly known as the GOP, is laying plans to return him to Office even as we speak. May God forbid such a horror.

 

How was he supposed to do that? Further the economic was bad at the end because he listen to Fauci whose two weeks to flatten the curve became six months to kill the economy now going on eighteen months to destroy small business.

 

LOL!! That constitutes a "whitewashing" of belligerent authoritarian nationalism (fascism).

Of course he was the worst president ever! No other president tried to convert the U.S. into a fascist dictatorship.

 

Bingo, Trump never did that.

 

Fauci is still angling to shut America down.

 

I am amazed no Democrat realizes Biden is the dictator.

Trump never came close to being one.

 

Abe Lincoln did not invade the South over slaves.

 

That is another lie told by Democrats. Republicans have been vaccinated. I am positive as a Vaccinated Republican.