Alec Baldwin's 'Rust' movie assistant director admits to gun-safety mistakes, search warrant reveals

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  1. Lucifer

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    No judgment there, right?
     
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    modernpaladin Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Hey look, a ban we can agree on!

    When I used to play 'OP4' in law enforcement sim-munitions, we'd end up sitting around for an hour or two waiting for all the officers to secure their real firearms and live ammunition off-site, check their pockets and gear for any live rounds and then be checked again personally by the scenario administrator for any live rounds before we could begin shooting at eachother with the sim-guns that fired paint rounds, and the sim-guns were all chambered in sizes of ammunition that real bullets wouldn't even cycle through (a real bullet would cause a jam). Officers that remained on duty while the others were training were not allowed to visit the training site without first disarming and similarly being checked for live rounds. As an additional level of precaution, we each loaded our magazines ourselves with the instruction to inspect each bullet to make sure it was a paint round (it was real easy to tell as the cases were mostly white plastic with a brass ring at the base and a brightly colored plug of soap-like 'paint' where the bullet would be). Given the vast cornucopia of sim weapons and 'functional replicas' out there that cant fire real bullets, in addition to how easy it is to modify even real guns so that a bullet would never be able to exit the barrel, there is zero reason to be firing blanks from a real gun at people, even for a movie. Except for cost cutting, I guess, but I reckon ol' Mr. Baldwin would prolly be perfectly happy to make a couple grand less or maybe skimp on the catering in exchange for some functioning replicas with barrel blocks right about now.

    Full disclosure, one of the weapons in my avatar pic is a real 9mm, the other is a Co2 pellet gun. Just before I pointed them at my buddy so he could take the picture, we both checked both guns to ensure they were not loaded.
     
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  3. joesnagg

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    Yeah, a real Annie Oakley there....but no doubt she came cheaper than someone who actually knew their azz from a hole in the ground.
     
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    The judgment may have paid off if practiced
     
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    Fangbeer Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    If I go on a jobsite, my boss hands me a nail gun, says "It's empty" and I point it at a co-worker and pull the trigger, I'm catching a charge.
     
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    they hire people to make sure the guns are safe, if you hire someone to watch over people handling your guns at home, and they give someone a gun to act with and say it's not loaded, but it is, who is criminally liable?

    of course it's the one you hired as they failed to do their job, although they are more likely to be held civilly liable than criminally if it was a honest mistake

    but the fact that it happened 3 times on this set, tells me this could be criminal

    maybe even a Trump supporter trying to sabotage the movie cause Baldwin made fun of Trump, or an upset employee, who knows at this point
     
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    How the **** do live rounds make their way onto a set? That just seems so needlessly dangerous
     
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    Well, here comes the Trump cult again. 30 post in and its Trumps fault.
     
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    I swear when democrats stub their toe it's either systemic racism or Trump's fault.

    It's beyond ridiculous...lol
     
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    Absolute complete judgment. Thats how common sense works. Other than the obvious result of hiring this idiot who obviously has no idea how to clear or check a weapon, why would you put someone of that caliber (no pun intended) in charge of weapons safety? This seems more like a quota fill than an actual expert of weapons since they are dealing with more than one gun.

    Maybe someone with military or law enforcement training no dealing with their own personal issues would have been better?
    Just a thought.
     
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    just possibilities, your bias is causing you to say that is impossible without even knowing
     
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    Yes you would.

    States laws might vary somewhat in the details but it is univeral that who ever pulls the trigger is responsible.
     
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    False equivelance.

    This tool was not defective it worked as designed and the one who pulled the trigger is criminally responsible.
     
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    NOT necessarily.

    There is a grey area:

    Will Alec Baldwin be criminally charged?
    Though Baldwin fired the gun resulting in Hutchins' death and Souza's injury, it's unlikely the "30 Rock" alum will face criminal charges, especially if he didn't know the firearm contained live ammunition, says Neama Rahmani, a former federal prosecutor who co-founded the Los Angeles personal injury firm West Coast Trial Lawyers.


    https://www.usatoday.com/story/ente...ged-halyna-hutchins-death-lawsuit/6143310001/
     
  15. balancing act

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    If I may respectfully point out, you're seeing things that aren't there.
    So far you brought up liberals and leftists in a conversation that wasn't about anything political. I think you forgot to remove your "everything relates to politics" glasses. Kind of the opposite of rose colored glasses.
     
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    ONLY YOU brought Trump into the equation in a thread that has nothing to do with Trump.
    Is it more of a possibility that every thread you post in just the last 24 hours is nothing but Trump, Trump, Trump? You can't get Trump out of your head?
    Who is the real Trump worshiper?
    Lets take a look, shall we?

    You were saying something about Trump worshiping?
     
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    yep, his worshipers sure do get upset when anyone says anything that might be viewed negatively of their Messiah

    could such a Trump supporter be upset enough with Baldwin for making Trump look bad to try and sabotage his movie.... I think it's definitely a possibility
     
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    Says the poster with 61 Trump post in less than 24 hours. :roflol:
    You post more about Trump than any other poster on PF.
    And you claim others are Trump worshipers? Thats funny
    If you didn't have Trump. you would have only had 4 post.
    Sad really
     
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    says the posters that attacks anyone that dares say anything negative about dear leader

    you did all that, cause I suggested someone may have tried to sabotage Baldwin's movie... Sad!
     
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    I think the analogy was fair. The "tool" was defective from the standpoint that it was loaded with a real bullet and wasn't supposed to be. Imagine a powder actuated driver. It drives mounting bolts into concrete much like a gun. If an employer provided a defective driver to an employee, and it accidentally killed someone, and it wasn't something the user would catch on a safety inspection, the employer or even manufacturer could be in trouble.
    IF this happened as has been reported, it was most likely the fault of the person who's responsiblility was to insure that the gun was not loaded. Sounds like that person did not do their job.
    One could argue that Baldwin should have checked it, but he may not be very familiar with live handguns and people probably hand him all kinds of props all day to use.
    Trump Jr. is almost as disgusting as his Dad. There is still time to catch up though!
     
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    to think this post upset some Trump supporters so
     
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    nope
     
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    Whats more amazing, even with 61 of your own Trump post in the last 24 hours in every thread you have been in, you can't see the forest for the trees.
    Sorry you got embarrassed but you are the very last person on PF to accuse ANYONE of being upset over Trump.
     
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    it was defective as a prop, it was not supposed to have real bullets in it, the person hired to make sure that did not happen failed

    not sure if someone sabotaged the prop after it was checked or what
     
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    Are they even responsible if they were told it was a replica?

    This tragedy tells me that the film industry is not capable of regulating itself safely. Maybe the use of firearms on film sets needs to be regulated at a state or federal level.
     
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