Man sentenced to life in prison for sex with 13 year old

It is not okay for adults to have sex with children. The fact that this guy managed to persuade the kid has no bearing on his guilt. It's not okay to kill people even if they're willing, either. The same logic applies.

This guy is a rapist. Yes, society needs to protect its kids from him.

It is not about how truthful or fraudulent the guy was. It is about the victim. At that age, the kid lacked the maturity to make an adult decision. He couldn't legally enter into a contract because of that lack. All kinds of laws are based on the idea kids lack maturity. They have a whole separate justice system. Live with it.

Further proof that the kid was not responsible enough to have sex (if more were needed) is his lack of care for the possible consequences to his partner.

 

The status of repeat offender is probably the main reason for the unusually heavy sentence. Our laws aren't written by people who understand anything besides the laws they write. We've even had "3 strikes" laws where ANY three felonies could get you put away for life.

It should be on a case-by-case basis. This is clearly not the same as violently forcing somebody to submit to sexual activity, or molesting a completely naïve child. For most of history, 13 was the age at which sexual maturity was the norm, and the greatest hypocrisy is how a 13 year old can be tried as an adult for murder in the US but "can't" consent to sex. So are they a child or not? They can't have it both ways.

The power differential somebody brought up is a fair point, but a smart 13-year old isn't as easily manipulated as a dumb 18 year-old. It's more like a boss having sex with a subordinate. But is that really rape or just unacceptable but less serious? So I think cases like this could fairly be referred to law enforcement, but that finding them guilty and the length of sentence should depend on circumstances. A life sentence should really be reserved for people who kill others in a premeditated way, though.

 

Irrelevant. If it's clear that the person is a child (ie, obviously under 16), then as an adult you KNOW that there is a problem - likely the child has been damaged in some way. You would automatically, as a sane adult, avoid them like the plague - for their sake, even if you're too much of creep to do it for your own sake.

 

1) He's not safe around kids - period. A grown man who willingly engages in sex with a 13 year old - regardless of whether that (clearly very damaged) 13 year old instigated it - is a ****ing creep and weirdo, and does not belong anywhere near children. Adults should know not to go there - that their 'urges' are far less important than a child's welfare. They're not even in the same universe.

2) DOESN'T MATTER. He's an adult - he should have behaved like one.

 

Studies have concluded that pedophiles don't change; the ones who act out will continue to do so. When I left Illinois, There was a law that permitted the state to incarcerate a pedophile indefinitely should the state's psychiatrists conclude he is likely to repeat the offense.

 

Trump and Epstein gang raped a 14 year old....Biden has never even been accused of child rape. Get your facts straight champy.

 

I would like to see them incarcerated for life, or incinerated. Adults who impose their own sh!t on children, are the worst kind of devil.

 

Wanna bet?

https://newspunch.com/little-girl-who-claimed-joe-biden-molested-her-disappears-from-social-media/





This is more evidence in one story that we all witnessed live, a grown man groping a little girl inappropriate who later confirmed as much and stated she didn't want to upset the ******* democrat family around her by putting this story out there because Biden is needed right now to be president.

And don't try and pretend this isn't what we can all clearly see which she later confirmed. I'll just reject that as willful bias. Biden is a pedo. He should be on trial. He won't be because of the position he holds.

I've got video evidence. What do you have?

 

Well I think we’re talking about ****philia (h-e-b-e, guess site thinks it’s a slur but not related to Jews) since this is a teen. And a claim like 100% recidivism with no possible prevention other than prison certainly warrants a meta analysis or systematic review.

I may be biased because I started sexual activity at 13 and don’t regret it at all. It was with girls my own age, but definitely had a crush on some older girls. There were many others my age with no interest in sex too, but they weren’t looking for it online (aol at the time). The point of the anecdote is that not every 13 year old is the same, and so culpability and punishment should vary by the situation. It is just obviously different molesting a child vs having inappropriate sex with somebody who wants it but is more likely to be naive, though biologically and historically they would be considered adults.

 

Never claimed 100% recidivism. Just claimed pedophiles were unlikely to change their behavior. I'm old. As far as sex goes, I'm far more interested in what a woman can offer int he way of conversation than bedding her. As they get older, I expect peds are somewhat the same.

 

This very much exposes the falsity of all their 'do-gooding', and it's just one example.

They claim to stand for women, but then throw women to the curb in order to fete men (who want access to female spaces). They claim to care about POC, but will happily treat them like one-dimesional pawns in their virtue-signalling game. The claim to be against racism, but claim minorities are too stupid to use a computer. They claim to love diversity, but always want to live in the whitest places possible, and never mix with anyone who isn't exactly like them. They claim to be all about collectivism, but insist on being absolute individualists, with no rules and no obligation to earn their keep. The claim to be socialists, but live like the world's most ardent capitalists. They claim to care about the welfare of children, but then encourage them to develop mental illnesses which lead directly to depression and suicidal ideation. They claim to 'always believe the female', but if the perp is one of theirs they say she's lying.

This is what ill-considered ideology does to otherwise decent people. It turns them into monsters.

 

If you want to go to bat for him, then go for it by all means. I'm not going to.

Legally, sex with an underage person is "statutory rape" even if there is no physical force involved.

It's not just "some view it as that" - that's what the law is. What do you think the age of consent should be?

Also as this article mentions itself, this wasn't a sole incident, but a repeat offense he committed while on probation for a previous one.

If it had been 13 year old girls instead of 13 year old boys, would you be saying the same thing?

 

I do not know the exact circumstances of the previous incident, but if we assume it was exact same type of thing as this one, I would argue that this man did not deserve to still be on probation, by the time of the second offense.
I think obviously your argument that he was on probation when this crime happened, therefore he should be punished more, falls to pieces if he did not deserve to be on probation at that time.
Not to try to parse details too much, but when you claim little things like that, I think we have to be entirely fair and examine the rationale of that logic in depth.

If, on the other hand, the first offense had actually been a real rape or real molestation, and he had gotten off easy the first time, then that would very much change the situation. Somehow I suspect that may not have been the case.

 

When we talk about "statutory rape" we are usually referring to something with a very different meaning than when we refer to "rape". (i.e. ordinary classic rape)
A distinction between the two has to be maintained, otherwise we are committing a logical error called an equivocation fallacy, conflating two different things that are not equivalent. You might want to try to keep this simple, but then we run the risk of a semantic argument.

 

That is an interesting question and one which I think I have already discussed.

Let me put it to you this way: If this had been a girl who met an older man on a dating site called "Women who like it in the rear end", then I think this would be pretty much equivalent to what happened in this story.

 

That's kind of the point right there. She wouldn't be a woman. The victim here is not a man. You keep tap dancing around his maturity as if it were not germane. A grown man having sex with a child of either gender is not right. This person knew it. He did it anyway. Not just once, but twice. Some people just can't take a lesson. As a society we have decided to make the lessons progressively harsher until the offender grasps them. Saying the kid was willing is no kind of excuse. There is a valid reason statutory rape is called rape.

 

That is not what I have claimed at any point. The point is that it was a drastically overly excessive amount of punishment.
Yes, if the child were younger it would be molestation. But this boy was 13, combined with several other factors going on here.

Before you just automatically resort to "sex with children is wrong", you need to get more specific and ask why exactly it is wrong. Once you do that, you'll be able to see several huge mitigating factors here. A lot of factors and issues that are normally present in these sort of situations were not present in this one.

There is a huge distinction between a naive child being led to do something when they do not know what is happening and did nothing to initiate it, versus a child who is out there intentionally trying to have sex.

He did something wrong twice so that justifies life in prison?

The first thing I think you need to do is to move away from black and white conceptions. Yes, this story might have little nuances of rape and molestation to it, but it was mostly and 95% more like what is known as "statutory rape" (which is not actual rape, by the way, despite the name).

Do you think someone who commits statutory rape twice deserves life in prison?
I'm not even sure a habitual offender who keeps committing statutory rape over and over again really deserves life in prison. (They would of course face a prison sentence each time)

This child is going to be going out there continuing to have sex, likely with many persons older than him.
Are you going to tell me this child was a victim and suffered and will be traumatized in any way close to the way normal victims of rape and molestation are traumatized?

Shouldn't the victim have to suffer to justify a long prison sentence?

Of course we don't have a picture available of the child or any information about them except for their age, but I'm willing to bet it was an African American child who looks 2 or 3 years older than what average 13 year olds look like, and probably had a decently big body size, and I bet he hears all his school mates brag about all the females they have had sex with.

I am saying this is all just "okay"? No, but I think we need to recognize there are special circumstances going on here that need to be taken into account.

If you want to say this did "damage" to that boy, sure I will accept that. But it is only a tiny percentage of the damage that happens in the case of a "normal" molestation.

Aren't you for justice? The punishment should fit the crime.

 

Right there. It is a CHILD. Not an adult. There is a huge distinction between the two.

He refuses to change his predatory ways so that justifies his prison term. If you think his lawyer didn't tell him about this possibility, he could have looked it up himself.This man is out of control. society needs to protect itself from him and others like him. I applaud the court that handed down this sentence.

It IS black and white. This person stepped over the line. He knew it. He did it anyway. Apparently he was unable to stop himself. Now he is stopped.

little? lol

Tell me how rape by coercion is different from rape by force
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by the way, despite the name).

Do you think someone who commits statutory rape twice deserves life in prison?]/quote]

I think someone who has committed rape twice and by his second offence has shown willing to continue should be incarcerated pretty much forever.

Take a minute to talk to real victims. Look it up on google before you post. Take a minute. Think.

There's more, but I'm too tired.