Belarus soldiers threaten to shoot at Polish border guards.

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    Unlike most of the West, the Poles are still a proud, strong people, who won't take this sort of nonsense.

    Viva Visegrad!
     
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    I don't understand. Why is Belarus trying to move foreign migrants into Poland?
     
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    Why? To create political pressue. Belarus intends to destabilise European countries, that's why. Lukashenko and his elite are facing sanctions from Europe because numerous people in Belarus were sentenced to 10 or more years imprisoment in the last couple of months. Their crime was demanding democratic elections, a muliti-party system, and civil liberties in Belarus. Lukashenko, being the dictator he is, did what all authoritarian leaders do - using show trials and massive propaganda to silence his political opposition, so Europe reacted accordingly.

    Lukashenko uses immigrants, mainly Kurds, as a political instrument just like Erdogan did with Syrian refugees not too long ago. He has them flown from Iraq to Istanbul and to Minsk. Then Belarusian authorities escort them to the Polish border pushing them to cross it. Until recently, the Polish-Belarusian border was regarded as a rather weak spot that would enable migration. Poland has strenghtened its southern borders massively in the last couple of weeks sending more than 12,0000 troops and border guards to their southern borders. At the moment, a few thousand migrants are caught in no-man's-land between the two countries because they cannot move into Poland. Warsaw has simply closed everything and people that are caught crossing the border, around 200 yesterday, are detained and escorted back.
     
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    Go Poland!
     
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    I wonder how the EU is going to react this. On the one hand, they are anti-Belarus right now. On the other hand, their ideology seems to be pro-migrant, and totally against being harsh to migrants. (The EU has even tried to pressure countries in Europe before that took a tough line on stopping migration)
    I expect they might just turn a blind eye and ignore the situation.

    This policy of Belarus seems to be designed to do exactly that right now: get back against Poland and the rest of the EU in a way that is very awkward for the EU to be able to openly complain about. (since the EU does not want to be publicly seen as being anti-migrant, it would make them look hypocritical)

    Poland of course does not feel the same way that the EU does on the migration issue, but they would prefer to avoid criticism and pressure from the EU.
     
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    EU with the Yanki have tried extremely hard to regime-change Syria from 2011. France was very active in this on the "diplomatic" speech level and as they believe they are a "power" that matters, were silly vocals about it, with for instance foreign affairs ministry (Juppé) telling Al-Assad was going to be out in 6 months, max one year.
    But resilience of syrian people was stronger than expected , so eu-mericans made an increasing use of qatari and saudi hired mercenaries and jihadists. The jihadist thread and the misery inflicted upon the country made millions of people escape to Turkey. Turkey was basically taking the bulk of the failed regime change.
    Erdogan became fed up and did put refugees on the road to EU. Boomerang effect. EU Commission has been obligated to take these people and sing the song of humanitarian concern.

    Poland and Lithuania did lead an intense agit-prop work and psychological warfare effort on some groups of exiles and local belarusian young "useful idiots" with the idea to somewhat replicate a kievan putsch à la Maïdan. But Belarus is very different, not a loose patchwork of polish derivated people (kurwa) in the west, russians in the east, former hybrid homo sovieticus everywhere and some ukrainians proper said in the middle. In that puzzle and semi-broken ethnic-national cocktail, it was easy for the eu-mericans to feed and manipulate armed paramilitary groups like the ones of Yarosh, and the murdering idiots under Svoboda. Belarus is not so easy, polish-derivated ultra-nationalist groups are marginal, ethno-national texture more uniform, yet the combined effort of EU Commission, Poland and Lithuania tried to remote conduct a putsch in Minsk at the time of the last election. It failed.

    Belarus and Russia are(with Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Armenia) in a Customs Union also sometime called Eurasian Union. It's not as tight as the EU, but more like the former pre-EU EEC (european economic community). Border visa for instance has been common Belarus-Russia for many years and there is no border.
    EU Commission insists on the community aspect of the union, and that to meddle with one country is to meddle with all. Yet while EU reminds often of this, it totally ignores the Eurasian Union.

    so EU, Warszawa (kurwa!) and Vilnus (Wilno...) tried to regime change Minsk, Failed. Moskow and Minsk react among other things by redirecting loads of afghans, irakis, whatnot, to the lithuanian and polish borders.

    indeed, how could the "virtuous" EU refuse to give asylum to all these poor people escaping the "evil dictatures" ? you would not let these poor poor people rot in the gulag, right?

    Funny.
     
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