of all trump supporters, the evangelicals are the most puzzling to me

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  1. dairyair

    dairyair Well-Known Member

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    OT here but, debt for the USA isn't all that bad then either.
    Wonder if other RW folks think the same way.
    trump just lashed out today at McConnel for raising debt ceiling. He want USA to default on it's debt. Like that is a good idea.
     
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    dairyair Well-Known Member

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    God knew us before? Does he know our actions and thoughts as well?
     
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    Perhaps they were. Maybe, the Dems did the pay back is a byach you mentioned earlier.
    Except Rs voted for impeachment as well.
    Oh well, political games eh? Tag, your it.
     
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    Didn't take anything you said out of context .. distinguished between zygotes .. and Children .. although you were conflating the two.

    It is you who has taken out of context .. and in fact made up some nonsense and attributed to me .. as I never once claimed that children were not precious .. or denegrated anyone for saying this .. so let us not be projecting our failings onto others mate .. as we read in Scripture - don't do to others what you hate ..

    It was your claim about the Bible "all Children are precious" that was disputed - and is shown demonstrably false .. by scripture as your analogy to abortion.

    I didn't write the book mate .. don't blame the messenger - blame the message.
     
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    You’ve proven nothing. Trump’s willingness to fight the political elite (including a few RINOs) was the reason they tried to remove him from office, and they failed. Pure political theater.

    Tag, you’re it.
     
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    Like citizens, government has to live within it's means. It takes discipline. You don't raise the debt ceiling until the last possible moment. I don't know where we are going to get the $$ to keep up with China and their missile program.
     
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    yabberefugee Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Does that make you nervous?
     
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    The second impeachment of Donald Trump, the 45th president of the United States, occurred on January 13, 2021, one week before his term expired. It was the fourth impeachment of a U.S. president, and the second for Trump after his first impeachment in December 2019.[1][2] Ten Republican representatives voted for the second impeachment, the most pro-impeachment votes ever from a president's party.[3] This was also the first presidential impeachment in which all majority caucus members voted unanimously for impeachment.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_impeachment_of_Donald_Trump
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    The complaint, which was corroborated by the acting Ambassador to Ukraine, stated that Trump had threatened to withhold U.S. foreign aid money until Zelensky promised to investigate Hunter Biden, son of leading Democratic 2020 candidate Joe Biden, for suspicious dealings in Ukraine.
    https://history.com/this-day-in-history/president-trump-impeached-house-of-representatives

    The 1st one had to do with trying to bribe a foreign gov't to dig up, make up, dirt on a potential political foe.

    Politically motivated? All Impeachments are politically motivated. There's no laws broken. IF so, then a trial by a jury would happen.
    But that would be in addition to any impeachment.
     
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    God knew us before? Does he know our actions and thoughts as well?

    Is that a yes?

    And no, it does not make me nervous.
     
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    So is borrowing living within one's means?
    You did it.
    But you think the gov't can't. They print/control their own money. You and I don't.
     
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    biden is not annointed by the televangelists or speaking for any god, and everybody knows it.
     
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    some are very sincere believers, but i have met the kind of which you speak.
     
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    To me, as having been brought up as a Christian (catholic) in Germany, the American evangelism has always seemed very strange. Example: The existence of mega-churches, pastors and tele-evangelists who act like rock stars and bathe in money, bestowed on them by their flock. Nothing could be further from the actual teachings of the bible. Although I stopped believing in god, I still think that the teachings of the new testament are very beneficial to society, if people would actually follow the behavioral blueprint laid out in it, i.e. love thy neighbor, turn the other cheek, do good for the poor etc. If the Christian right would follow those cues, we'd actually not have a problem.

    However, after learning a bit more about American Christianity, the Trump phenomenon is not too surprising. Of course with exceptions, the American Christian right seems to believe in the prosperity gospel:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prosperity_theology

    In this gospel, God rewards those that work hard and believe in God with good fortune, both in a material sense and with health. Therefore, Trump's wealth and health is a sign to them that he is in God's good graces. Of course, the extension of this belief is that if someone is not prosperous and healthy, they have earned God's wrath, by being non-believers, therefore he is making their life miserable. This dichotomy can then by used to rationalize hatred for the less fortunate (or poor immigrants, for example), because if God hates them, they deserve the hate.

    Now, in my view, the prosperity gospel is a total misrepresentation of the teachings of the bible. It is a self-justification for greed and wealth as a good thing, rather than what it is, i.e. being condemned by Jesus.
     
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    If one looks at reasons to revere Trump, than at reasons to revere Biden....
    You instantly recognize that the real idiocy, the truly blind delusional following has nothing to do with Trump at all.
     
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    i am a recovering cathaholic. it should not be surprising that the evangelicals don't really loke catholics (the irish, italian, and now the hispanic immigrants being considered barely human since we are not "born again" nor do i claim any "personal relationship" with jesus) the abortion issue seems to make them allies, but who knows what tomorrow brings.

    trump plays on the megachurch crowed, but the real roots of his rallies is professional 'rasslin' .

    there is no basis in christianitu (or any other religion) for a "prosperity gospel. "
     
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    Correct. Those who adore the 2x impeached are cut of the same cloth.
    He just speaks publicly what they believe
     
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    Don’t take the bait folks.
    Most Christians don’t see Trump as a “good Christian”
    But what do you expect when the left is constantly Christian bashing?
    Think!
     
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    Biden does absolutely nothing beneficial to humanity, so why would he receive any "annointing"?
     
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    Impeachment was never a blight on the mans record. It only reflects the corruption of his political enemies that began before he took office,
     
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    "The Kingdom of God is not meat nor drink but righteousness, peace, and joy in the Holy Spirit."

    In other words it is not about rich or poor, Jew or Gentile. Those that want to sow division and make it that way have a different agenda. When you address "poor immigrants" are you referring to "illegal immigrants"? I know many legal immigrants and some are quite prosperous. Would you say Christians must discount the laws of our land and open our borders as the American Marxists have done?
     
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    The left has lost their ****ing mind about one man.

    Like, the cheese has completely fallen off their cracker.

    It's crazy to watch from the outside. It's like one looney toon at the insane asylum freaking out that the other people are nuts.
     
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    there is no blind delusional following of biden.
     
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    You illustrate not only that there is, but how blind it actually is.
    Biden has invited the rest of the world to an open border invasion in violation of federal law, and you are blissfully unaware that the list of federal crimes committed in that process, chargeable to him, would be a thousand pages long. So would the list of other ways you are being sold out right now by these people. But.... you haven't got a clue.
     
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    Many of the current evangelicals or Mega Church pastors and devotees are essentially the Southern Baptist of yore. It’s cultural. Trump aligns with their cultural values.
     
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    Many of these same 'pastors' have also perverted Christianity and redefined financial success as God approved/worthy. Of course, they have done this to justify their lifestyles but that's not what the Bible teaches.
     

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