Tensions Between Russia & Nato Seething In Black Sea

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  1. Poohbear

    Poohbear Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Are these putative 'neo cons' really 'idiots' or are the people who label
    them the real idiots?
    If this is so then these secretive, nefarious (probably Jewish, world
    order, industrial complex, Qanon Shamon type guys) are in cahoots
    with your pal Putin, and want to see Russia occupy Ukraine (and
    maybe Poland and East Germany too.)
    Or the second, equally irrational narrative: these sneaky guys want
    to start WW3. After 10,000 Russian bombs crash down on us our
    Shamons/Jews/World Order/mega rich guys will inherit what's left of
    America.

    Both scenarios are totally stupid. You have a third one?
     
  2. Jeannette

    Jeannette Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    That just about sums up the stupidity.
     
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    You can do whatever the hell you want to do, I don't care. If you want to swallow the bullshit the BBC and NYT spews, be my guest. They were spot on with the Ritz Carlton pee tapes after all :laughing:.

    I'm from Texas and I don't live in the backwoods of South Dakota....as apparently a resident 'expert' does.

    I've been to Minsk, Odessa, the Crimea and Moscow. Have you?
     
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    Not yet.

    That's why it's called Geo-Political Strategy. You have a vision of what the Future should look like, and you craft a plan to bring your vision to fruition.

    That's the MECAS Plan which you adopted after you abandoned the failed Pacific Rim Plan in the late 1960s. That is why Nixon went to China.

    You've already invested several $TRILLION in the MECAS Plan and failure will result in the end of the world as you know it. Most of you are so weak you'd slit your wrists if your Standard of Living was on a par with Russia as it is now, which is why your government is doing this.

    And, why, yes, I did assist in the planning for Iran. My job specifically was to seize and secure two bridges and two fording points over the Karun River.

    Some people didn't a Marine Expeditionary Brigade could hold the junction of Highway 8 and Highway 10 (on the eastern edge of the Zagros Mountains) but I did and my bosses sent me to the NTC to prove it could be done, and it can. An Army combat brigade or Marine brigade can sit their indefinitely, so long as they have air support.

    Once the Air Force and Navy take out the four bridges over the Karun River in the Zagros Mountains and neutralizes the understrength Iranian infantry division there, it's over. Just gotta wait for the fat lady to sing.

    My only regret is that if your government decides to play the Baluchistan Gambit, I might be responsible for the deaths of 10s of 1,000s of Balochs.
     
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    For the low-information voters, that is everything east of the Ural Mountains, including:

    Yamalo-Nenets (an okrug)
    Khantia-Mansia (an okrug)
    Sverdlovsk (an oblast)
    Chelyabinsk (an oblast)
    Kurgan (an oblast)
    Tyumen (an oblast)
    Omsk (an oblast)
    Tomsk (an oblast)
    Novosibirsk (an oblast)
    Altai Krai (a krai)
    Altai (a republic)
    Kemerovo (an oblast)
    Khakassia (a republic)
    Tuva (a republic)
    Krasnoyarsk (a krai)
    Irkutsk (an oblast)
    Buryatia (a republic)
    Zabaykraisky (a krai)
    Amur (an oblast)
    Sakha (a republic)
    Chutokha (an oblast)
    Magadan (an oblast)
    Kamchatka (a krai)
    Sakhalin (an oblast)
    Khabarvosk (an oblast)
    Primorsky (an oblast)

    The US Army collectively refers to them as republics. You'd know that if you had been there.
     
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  6. zoom_copter66

    zoom_copter66 Well-Known Member

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    Funny...I was in the army ...I dont remember this....and I was in Magadan area through my work at CIH...
     
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    Poohbear Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Actually, you replied but did not answer.
     
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    I didn't swallow the bullshit the BBC and NYT spews, I swallowed your assertion that you are from Texas and you visited Minsk, Odessa, the Crimea and Moscow and there is plenty of water in Crimea and Belarus is better than Ukraine.
     
  9. Jeannette

    Jeannette Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    What do you want me to answer, that Washington is controlled by a bunch of idiots - or maybe sociopaths? I should think that's obvious.

    As the saying goes, a tree is judged by the fruit it bears, and what I see is a world in flames. Not though in spite of our actions, but because of our actions.

    [​IMG]
    Never judge a tree by its stature,

    nor the power of the name it wears.
    One's judgement should only come,
    through the merits of the fruit it bears.
    -Jeannette
     
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    Poohbear Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    No, I asked you who in America wants war. Is it Biden, is it the Democrats,
    is it the media, is it the electorate?
     
  11. Jeannette

    Jeannette Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Who would want war other than those who would gain politically and financially from it? The neo cons of course, but I don't doubt that Biden is willing to do anything to please them. He's only a stooge.

    Right now Washington and the MSM are accusing Russia of wanting to invade Ukraine, which should immediately ring a bell in the American people - after all, aren't we always accusing others of doing what we're doing ourselves? Here's some reality:

    Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov lambasted the ramping up of hysterics in the West over the purported Russian plans to invade Ukraine and warned about possible foreign provocations related to these claims.

    "This hysteria is being whipped up artificially. The nations who bring their armed forces overseas are now accusing us of some 'unusual military activity' on our own territory"

    The spokesman further condemned the US and NATO for ramping up provocative activities on Russia's borders by moving their military infrastructure, as well as armed forces closer. Peskov cautioned NATO against pumping Ukraine with modern weaponry, noting that by doing so these countries inspire Ukraine to reckless behaviour and attempts to resolve their issues by force

    "Ukraine is most likely seeking to make another attempt at resolving its own problem through military means; create another disaster for themselves and for everyone in Europe. This is what Ukraine is striving for. And it is trying to achieve this, most likely, under the cover of those very NATO exercises [near Russia's borders], NATO ships in the Black Sea - US, British soldiers in the region, of which there are more and more".
     
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    The last paragraph is hilarious...."Ukraine seeking an attempt"?

    Nothing wrong in reclaiming your own territory thats been invaded....e.g.DPR...Krym.

    Seems the Mafialand has issues with that.
     
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    So Biden is a 'stooge' but you doubt he's willing to go to war.
    Who is he a 'stooge' to? His own party? Is so, does that make him a 'stooge.' ??
    And if the 'neo cons' want war, why didn't they just declare war on Russia during
    the Trump days? Will they declare war if they win office again? What is to gain
    financially from war with Russia? Think about it, ..
     
  14. Jeannette

    Jeannette Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    First of all the neo cons hated Trump, because he wouldn't go along with their agenda. That's why they destroyed his presidency with the fake Russian collusion idiocy and all the impeachments. Biden's administration on the other hand, is packed with neo cons. They're all Democrats.

    They're called neo cons because they switched to the Republican Party under Bush so they could start a war in the Middle East, and then switched back with Obama.

    As for their animosity towards Russia, it's because it has 30% of the world's natural resources, and they want to takeover and control its wealth the way they did during the Yeltsin years.


    Washington is not looking for an all out war with Russia, but it wouldn't mind if Ukraine went to war and won - since the people might then get rid of Vladimir Putin. This is how they think, because that's what they wrote. Stupidity? Yes!

    So while our newspapers and government are screaming that Russia is ready to invade Ukraine, the more Washington provokes Russia in the Black Sea, and the more attacks by Kiev on the people of Donetsk - and this time they using heavy artillery. Those civilians by the way, have Russian passports.
     
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    Those citizens have Russki passports.....according to who....RT...Sputnik...?
     
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    But why wouldn't these nefarious 'neo cons' (as opposed to neo Marxists)\
    just blow up America to get Russian oil and gas? Wouldn't all that fossil
    fuel be worth it if all the big America cities were smoking black holes? And
    what to do with Elon Musk? Here the 'neo cons' will sacrifice a hundred
    million or more American lives to get that oil, and Musk is bent on electrifying
    the USA - doing away with the need for oil and gas in the first place. Musk's
    life is clearly on the line, no?
     
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    I agree, and at the rate things are going, it would not surprise me if Putin sends his elite 1st Guards Tank Army into the Donbass region of Ukraine before next spring.

    A little, uh, 'logistical problem' would become immediately apparent. Consider: Moscow is 500 miles away from Kiev... Washington D. C. is 5,000 miles and an ocean away from Kiev.

    If you enjoyed our fun adventures in Vietnam and Afghanistan, you'll be thrilled with our next one, in Ukraine.... :salute:
     
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    Yah...little Vladolf Putler has a dilemma in DPR....figuring out how to fold without looking weak,or stupid or both.

    Ukrainian military has made some advances in DPR....alarming the sewer rat bigwig puppets like Pushilin and other riff raff.

    Bayraktar drones have schwacked numerous Russki artillery along with its crews....DPR is a PTSDd lawless Abkazia....basically a shithole...the Russki mongrels pilfered what wasn't nailed down....and lotsa these "rebels" aren't happy about being "guinea pigs" for there Russki handlers.

    Botox pimp chimp is getting antsy....Krym is dry ...no hot showers,rationed laundry days, and most economic data is "classified"....I guess when you "bribe" your way into annexation...this is the $hit you get.

    Vladolf must be disappointed with Loony Luka....migrant crisis has backfired and a disaster....Luka slow to recognize Krym as Russian....and hesitating on integration with Mafialand. Looks like Putinka gambit has epically failed.wheres all the support for "Neverussia "?....
     
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    And here we are back to the Crimea not having water...or hot showers. I just have to laugh....and if anyone believes this propaganda...well you'll believe anything. I guess it's the CNN strategy.

    Any ethnic Russian living in the Donbass region can get or has Russian citizenship/passports. It's a law, look it up.

    These propaganda posts are 'projection' at its best. Ukraine is a literal mafia shithole. Just another welfare state looking to STEAL American taxpayer's money.

    Washington DC is 5000 miles away from Kiev. Kharkiv, Ukraine's second largest city is 30 miles from Russia. If Russia wants to stomp a mudhole in Ukraine, they can.
     
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    Put wants to make trouble but he doesn’t appear to be ready for a shooting war. Think about it. He really has nothing else to do to be relevant. Big country, big problems, no fun. Big ego former colonies to mess with like the old days, great fun!
    He is de stabilizing Belarus and Ukraine by facilitating middle easterners to cross their borders illegally, hoping to destabilize the governments. (Much like Joe Biden is doing here for reasons that escape me.)
     
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    Putin is an oligarch. He wants to be the world's first trillionaire and he seems to be the main candidate at this time.

    He is offering nearly free land in Siberia, hoping to steal the immigrants that should be making us richer here in the US. He is going to profit greatly from our bigotry if we let him.
     
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    Provide the #s for these so called Russki passports in DPR....according to who.....and what "law" you talk about. I found nothing...its speculation at best.

    Is thst all the Asiatic Mafia can do is "stomp" a mud hole in Ukraine??....doesn't say much for great military....other than tons of dead Russkis being sent back in Cargo200...:)).
     
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    Siberia will eventually be absorbed amoeba like by China who has the necessary greed to exploit the resources.
    I don’t recall where you fall on the enviro-weenie scale, but adding population increases our carbon footprint and garbage output. So there is that lack of honest analysis.
     
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    . Proximity isn't everything. It didn't do much for Argentina in the Falklands
     
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    Yeah and the fact that the Argentine Navy consisted of ONE ship and the Falklands are islands. That would be like if Russia had ONE tank.....but they have around 30K. No comparison.
     

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