Ahmaud was murdered

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  1. modernpaladin

    modernpaladin Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Of course. Thus the need for a jury.
     
  2. truth and justice

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    That's my first thoughts too.
     
  3. Aleksander Ulyanov

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    Isn't that felony murder, and thus first degree?
     
  4. Aleksander Ulyanov

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  5. Aleksander Ulyanov

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    Agreed
     
  6. Aleksander Ulyanov

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    Certainly and Of Course. The only baffling thing is how anyone could be stupid enough to think they'd get away with it enough to think they should film it.
     
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  7. Aleksander Ulyanov

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    Because he can see what is blindingly obvious.
     
  8. Aleksander Ulyanov

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    Would you?
     
  9. Aleksander Ulyanov

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    Where do you see anything in the recording indicating that?

    To me it looks like 2 hostile guys chasing down a guy for no reason. I would have thought I was being mugged and I'm white.
     
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    I do not know much about the case. I haven't followed it. From what little I do know I'd say that they were guilty of murder or some similar charge.

    As for your second question. I don't know. Not going to assume either way.
     
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    I would have to know more. Most importantly, if they hail from the party of slavery, the KKK, Jim Crow and Segregation, there is no doubt that they murdered the guy because of his race. If not, I will go with the decision of jurors who listened to all the testimony and studied all the evidence.
     
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    I'm not sure about the details of "citizen's arrest" but I would suggest that if a citizen holds you at bay, against your will with a shotgun and that later on there is no evidence that you were guilty of any crime, that citizen would be in big trouble. That would be on the border of a kidnap charge. As of yet, I have seen no evidence that this young man committed any crime. Also it is in doubt the police were even called.
     
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    You should have been on the prosecution team since you already have your mind made up about the outcome of this case. Tell us, did you have the same opinion about the Rittenhouse case before the verdict came out---that he was guilty of murder as charged? I hadn't seen or heard of a lefty that didn't have Rittenhouse guilty as charged before the final verdict came out, so its no surprise to see that you have already chimed in with your guilty as charged indictment opinion at this time.
     
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    How is that relevant to anything in the case? Rittenhouse was already in Kenosha. He made the 20 mile journey the day before the thugs got violent. He didn't bring his gun to Kenosha. It was already there at a friend's house. He didn't break any law in possessing the AR. Wisconsin allows 17 year olds to possess a firearm with a barrel that meets a minimum length that his AR meets. The real question is why a convicted felon was allowed to skate and illegally own a gun?
     
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    Indeed and the law says you can't kill someone even if that person was a burglar and even if the police did the killing. There is no excuse for what these men did. Sorry. Clearly it was not self defense. That makes it murder or manslaughter or something the jury should determine.
     
  16. Hoosier8

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    Not sure why you are sorry since I agree but due to missteps there is a good reason for appeal if found guilty. These are simple facts of the case that some are triggered by as if it’s defending the defendants.
     
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    I don’t see many disagreeing with you. They look guilty to me
     
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    I think most white people would not wrestle with a guy with a gun. In fact, they would call the cops and let them sort it out on the spot.
    Black bigotry is the problem here: They don’t trust whites and they don’t trust the police. So what options does that leave them with?
     
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    Or Arbery knew he was guilty of the recent thefts and like many that have broken the law and struggle with police and end up shot.

    That said it’s irrelevant to the case.
     
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    I think murdered is a strong assumption. However, I wouldn't be surprised at all to see some or all of these defendants to be found guilty of something. But, I don't think any of them set out to purposely murder.
     
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    It seems wrong to make this about race, even though that's like one of those gorillas in the room. There were reports of other people also walking around at different times, doing exactly what this guy was doing. Was race mentioned? I don't recall. Anyway, I wouldn't want to assume the shooter was acting in a racial way unless there was ample evidence of his assumption that Black=guilty.

    As for the citizen's arrest thing, would the victim have been right to tell the shooters they were under citizen's arrest for stalking him?

    I was reading some things about the concept of citizen's arrest, and started wondering how it would all go down if person wearing a hoodie walked up to another person, pulled out a gun, and said he was arresting that other person. Should the person being arrested comply? Would you? Even if the person in the hoodie was Black?

    Very generalized and hypothetical question, and I don't mean to make it racial, but I truly do wonder if our biases play a big role in our unconscious reaction. I'm looking at it from the perspective of human nature and how we react in a fight of flight situation.

    My concern is related to how much authority we are willing to give to those who may not be best suited to "police" us.
     
  22. LangleyMan

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    It doesn't matter if Arbery was jogging.
     
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    One has to have direct knowledge of a felony to perform a citizens arrest. If not then the person trying to arrest is committing a crime.
     
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    Just a simple fact in response to an erroneous assumption created by the media.
     
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    While I tend to agree Arbery might not have been prosecuted, let's see if the three morons go down for murdering the guy.
     

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