Pentagon Forms a Group to Examine Unexplained Aerial Sightings

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  1. Patricio Da Silva

    Patricio Da Silva Well-Known Member Donor

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    Apparently these things are not just balloons, after all. Seems they can't figure out what they are.

    One would think that for all of our $800 billion plus dollars spent on the military, they would be able to. Ya think?

    Mick West (the UFO debunker) isn't going to be happy about this.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2021/11/24/us/politics/pentagon-ufos.html

    The announcement follows a report that failed to clarify strange phenomena observed by military pilots and others over the past two decades.

    The Pentagon on Tuesday night announced a new group to investigate reports of unidentified aerial phenomena in sensitive areas, work that will be overseen by both the military and the intelligence agencies.

    The group will lead an effort to “detect, identify and attribute objects” in restricted airspace, as well as mitigate any threats to military flights.

    The announcement follows the release of a report in June that failed to provide explanations of 143 sightings of strange phenomena by military pilots and others over the past two decades.

    Here is the official DoD press release:

    https://www.defense.gov/News/Releas...the-airborne-object-identification-and-manag/

    Today, Deputy Secretary of Defense Kathleen Hicks, in close collaboration with the Director of National Intelligence, directed the Under Secretary of Defense for Intelligence & Security to establish within the Office of the USD(I&S) the Airborne Object Identification and Management Synchronization Group (AOIMSG) as the successor to the U.S. Navy’s Unidentified Aerial Phenomena Task Force

    There you have it. The new AOIMSG is the successor to the UAPTF (Unidentified Aerial Phenomena Task Force ) noting that U A P is the Navy's new designation for UFOs, given that UFOs has achieved a certain stigma and baggage. The point is, the new task for is the successor to it, and thus the Navy, after disbanding AATIP (Advanced Aerial Thread Identification Program) and UAPTF (Unidentified Aerial Phenomena Task Force ) it is clear the Navy has not abandoned it's investigation of UFOs, its just that they are watering down the name of the thing in hopes of attempting to avoid the silliness that the terms attract.

    The point is that they 1. Admit they have no clue as to what they are, despite the banality of them that UFO debunkers claim, and 2, they are taking them seriously. It's hard to believe that but for the hundreds of millions the Navy is spending on this research, that if they were, indeed, merely banal things ( balloons, etc ) that so much money and effort would be commissioned for the task. Heck, AATIP was seeded with $200,000,000 at the outset.

    From where I sit, that is progress from the days of Project BlueBook, whose sole purpose was to debunk UFOs.

    And that is precisely why this is no longer fodder for the CT forum, and why I posted it here.
    If these things really are 'other worldly' ( not saying they are ) then that would be the story of the century.

    Would it not?

    Now, if you want to talk 'shape shifting reptilians', fine, off to the CT forum you must go, but I'm not doing that, here. Let's get that one straight.

    The point is, something's going on out there in our airspace and we need to get to the bottom of it and the DoD agrees with this point.
     
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    I'm glad that this came about. It's a small step towards transparency. One among many recent steps. The only problem I see is that if this is a study of restricted airspace the public may not have a need to know about the results.
     
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    I think the word something is a flawed assumption, implying that there must be a singular explanation for all of these events.

    The simple fact is that there are loads of "UFO" sightings and the vast majority get a clear explanation, often very quickly. A very small proportion have no definitive explanation, those plenty of those will have possible "mundane" causes that simply can't be definitively proven. There are very few that have absolutely no possible explanations (especially if you move away from some of the presumptions, such as if something appears to move in a particular way on camera, that must have actually happened).

    All of those unexplained events obviously have some kind of explanation (though as I said at the start, there is no reason to assume it is the same one), the only question is whether we'll ever be able to work out what they are. In many cases, I suspect we won't as the key evidence will have been lost and/or corrupted by time.
     
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    I'm still seething over that lame-ass "report" to Congress, they may as well testified that it's nothing more than weather balloons constructed of aluminum foil, filled with swamp gas and passing by the planet Venus... until one of WHATEVER they are crashes or lands where it can't be covered up THATS ALL we're EVER gonna get. :nod:
     
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    I'm about a certain as you ever could be about two things, the government knows what they are and they will not tell us.

    They have their own agenda and it does not include us.
     
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    On Transparency .. The CIA refused to give Carter the info he requested on UFO's .. transparency has only gotten worse since then .. so they must have something else up their sleve.
     
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    Here's a Video of a UFO spreading Coronavirus spores from their Planet into our Atmosphere, so they can eliminate the Human species and take over Earth
     
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    There's been a change in attitudes about this in recent years, since about 2015. It might be possible that the old guard took off and retired. Or, perhaps, they really do have "something else up their sleeve" and we must wait for the other shoe to drop to find out what it is.
     
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    The thinking was likely they did not want to cause mass panic in the public .. or at least that was how they were justifying not releasing stuff. The Classified excuse is bunk because not all the stuff they have is deserving of that classification. Delete the part about how we are using some of this funny stuff we found on a ship for Stealth .. if you need to .. the rest could be released.

    At this point .. where does Occam's razor take us .. I'm not sure. One thing I will say - is that I enjoy these UFO programs -- ancient aliens - wierd or what .. "unexplained" .. note how prevalent this stuff is these days as well .. but at the end of the day I am research scientist and a skeptic ..

    The only explanation for some of the better sightings .. is that we had some serious capabilities that the public was not aware of - and still is not aware of .. back in the 60's -70's - and these were some kind of test drones. For some of the sightings .. even this stretch doesn't work ..

    So I am of the belief that they have stuff that would blow that explanation out of the water .. as we already have stuff in the public domain for which this explanation does not pass the giggle test. I think they might have a smoking gun or two somewhere .. can't see any other reason for keeping these secrets for so long ..
     
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    Interesting but is this just a blind to disguise advanced technology aircraft?
     
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    This is certainly in the right step as most of us know some of these sighting very well could be the real deal. I like the new terminology UAP because more than there shape it is there arial maneuvers that defies well laws of physics. But I would change one word, Unidentified to Unexplained. We can identify their maneuvers we just can't explained how they are capable of manuevering the way they do. So Unexplained Arial Phenomena IMO is a more correct term. It also forces skeptics to explain how "Venus" a "meteor" or a "weather ballon" can maneuver the way UAP's can.
     
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    I too enjoy "unexplained" phenomena of all types, particularly the contortions skeptics employ to debunk everything and those true believers employ to confirm everything. I'm on the fence regarding "mass panic" if they were to release what they actually know, if anything. It would be a circus to be sure, but would it be less so waiting for one to land and announcing " We're here to serve Man (with a side order of curly fries)."? :D
     
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    Mass "Panic" was probably not the best term - and agree this is much less of a threat now then in the past.

    The mission statement of every bureaucrat is "maintain the Status Quo" .. whether or not they realize it .. however most do realize it .. as evidenced by decicions they are urged to make .. penalties if they go against the "Status Quo" In our pay to play system .. the status quo is determined by "Influence" in Washington ... the big money interests that dictate policy on this issue and that.

    In order to maintain this corrupt clown show - the people must be divided .. so that they keep voting Red or Blue - either being a vote for the status quo.

    One of the main mechanisms for division is Religion .. The religions right controls GOP Policy - doing all kinds of things the other side hates - forcing them into the loving arms of Blue...

    The above is just one example ... there are others. In this case - knowing defacto that aliens are out there - is going to cause a serious disruption in religious belief .. which has the potential to disrupt the status quo.

    Other disruptions on the basis of cognitive dissonense will also occur.

    Just giving my best guess ... but that would be it.
     
  14. Patricio Da Silva

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    Well, that is one of the three possibilities.

    No one knows, as this point.
     
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    "Identify' isn't suggesting characteristics, but 'who' or 'what', for example, is it an American Jet, is it a Foreign Vehicle? is it a Balloon" Is it an otherwordly craft. Foreign or American doesn't make sense because they would have, or are supposed to have, IFF transponders. Unless they are purposely being deceitful.
     
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    I think you fail to understand that they need to actually find one in order to disassemble it to see what makes it go.

    I don't recall Mick West being at Ramstein Air Base in 1986 when a nuclear weapons mission got cancelled because NATO aircraft from 7 countries were chasing something they couldn't catch that was roaming about an area between Trier, Kaiserslautern and Strausbourg (France) that disappeared and reappeared 30-60 seconds later as blew by two US F-4 Phantoms and two Dutch F-4 Phantoms orbiting near Soesterberg Air Base in the Netherlands on its way out to the North Sea.

    Why would they know?

    Your government knows what they are not, and they are not of this Earth, but your government is reluctant to admit that outright for obvious reasons.

    They are/were type-classified into four groups based on the ETV's design and assumed method of propulsion.

    Yeah, that's right, that means one alien civilization has been sending 4 spacecraft with radically different designs and methods of propulsion to Earth, or four different alien civilizations are sending their spacecraft to Earth.

    That ain't good. You gotta wonder if something happened to cause them to change their minds.

    You're being anachronistic.

    What would you be doing in 1948 in addition to thumping your bible fast and furious?

    Those 40, 50 and 60-year old bible-thumping men in 1948 are gonna believe that it's some dastardly plot by the Russkies, because the bible doesn't say that on the 8th Day God created Aliens.

    American society is very different than 1948, and people have a greater body of knowledge and fewer people are into supernatural things, so we can actually have a discussion and do research about it.

    No doubt, and the good news is only half the world would commit mass suicide instead of 90%.

    Something's been going on for a very, very long time. For at least 80 years if not for centuries or millennia.

    I have to believe they're benevolent and I would like to think government is doing this in response to changes in societal attitudes rather than preparing for conflict.
     
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    And by focusing on aerial maneuvering that exceeds the laws of physics the objects can be ruled out as manmade. The first recorded sighting came in the 4th century and continued thereafter. IFF transponders can be turned off.
     
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    Has anybody stopped to realize that we have been sighting, chasing and discussing UFO's for decades and so far not a single extra terrestrial alien? Has anybody stopped to realize the distances required for there to be extra terrestrial aliens in the first place? I don't doubt they exist but not anywhere near planet Earth.
     
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    My comment was to refute those who assert that the videos have a 'likely banal explanation'. The point is, spending all that money on UFO research one would think if all it were were banal explanations, they wouldn't have spent all that money and decades of research, which is still going on.

    That was the point. I do not fail to understand the concept of reverse engineering, a notion which had nothing to do with my point.
    More to refute West with, thank you.
    My point wasn't about what they 'would know' or why, I'm just refuting the debunker's statements that 'they have ordinary explanations'. The government hasn't come to that conclusion, or any conclusion, it's left as an open question, so far.
    I would agree with that, but it's a belief, not knowledge of fact.
    Well, whatever the gov does know, they aren't telling us. If you have information supporting your statement, I'd love to see it.
    Precisement ( 'scuse my French ).
    My point was that the government's changing from 'it's all nothing, swamp gas, atmospheric anomalies' etc, to 'we're taking it seriously' is progress for the Government. Use any reference point you want. It doesn't matter.
    If you are joking, cool. If not, I seriously doubt it.
    If you are curious, then read Dr. David Jacob's 'Walking Among Us'. He dives deeper, based on, albeit weak evidence, testimonies of abductees under hypnosis (but compelling in the sense that hundreds of abductees are basically telling us the same story, people form all walks of life, (noting that Jacob's is mindful of 'confabulation' and has developed controls to weed it out) people who do not know each other, going back to the 60s, before the Barney and Betty Hill story was published, before Communion was published), we don't really know what they are up to, but we do know some things, and might be able to draw conclusions based on it. His data is also confirmed by Budd Hopkins and John Mack, who garnering testimonies of abductees under hypnosis, and outside of hypnosis, long before Jacobs started doing it.
     
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    When I say 'defying the laws of physics' it must be prefaced with, 'apparently', because there might be more to physics than we have discovered, which, if that expanded physics were known, then the 'apparently defying physics' wouldn't actually be defying physics.
     
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    No country would ever be able to hide that kind of physics defying technology for very long. And if they had it they certainly wouldn't risk it being exposed. The aerial phenomenon we are seeing today dates back to the 4th century when China started keeping records and the sightings haven't stopped since then. There is a huge area of our planet that has not been explored especially the oceans where the possibility of large open caverns make for places to hide. If we aren't detecting them coming through our atmosphere then they are here on earth and have been for a very long time and most likely arrived before mankind. The last part being pure speculation.
     
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    Have you read Dr. David Jacob's "Walking Among Us".

    If you haven't, you should.
     
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    Have you stopped to realize that tens of thousands of humans have testified, via direct recall, and under controlled hypnosis, abduction encounters with Aliens?
     
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    And as many have testified about the Yeti or the Chupacabra or the Loch Ness Monster. Give me a break. Show me an extra terrestrial alien. Explain how they survived a voyage of hundreds of thousands or even millions of years. You have a belief without any science behind it.
     
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    I am a huge X-Files fan and there was a belief that aliens were mixing with humans to create human hybrids. I don't personally subscribe to that belief personally as they've been here for quite some time giving them plenty of time to convert the human race if that is their plans. And why would such advanced beings let us see them and then not? They seem to be toying with us? Sometimes in almost a threatening way. Why? With their obviously advanced technology they could have taken this planet already but they haven't. Why not? Are you familiar with the Bible's take on UFOs? If demons are involved then it would make sense why they are behaving the way they are. What if they are trying to divert people's attention away from God as the higher being and see "aliens" as higher beings, even our creators? God forbids them from interacting directly with humankind which is probably why they have been so evasive yet showing up in various places and allowed to be seen and photographed. Everyone knows proving the existence of extraterrestrial beings would destroy the status quo. Is that what demons are trying to do? Again, just my conjecture on a very intriguing subject.
     

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