What does Critical Race Theory teach?

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  1. Kode

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    Teachers and trained education professionals are very capable of making those decisions. Politicians should keep their nose out of it. And legislation to impose those limits is, indeed, censorship.
     
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    Except they're not elected by anyone. They work for the people who are elected.
     
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    Such objections are intended to ignore and even justify systemic racism in most cases. We all know better. Refusal to pass laws against practicing racist policies like redlining or profiling are the usual way systemic racism shows up. But ok. Here are a few..... One law in Virginia declares that “no child shall be required to attend integrated schools.” Others dictate that white and black Virginians live in separate neighborhoods, and that the races be kept apart on trains, playgrounds and steamboats.

    Racial profiling: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-new...raffic-stops-new-evidence-racial-bias-n980556
     
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    There are no such laws in Virginia.
     
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    What would you call this?

    On November 8, North Dakota legislators introduced a bill banning Critical Race Theory (CRT) in K-12 schools. Less than a week later, North Dakota Governor Doug Burgum (R) signed the legislation into law. The impact of the new law could be significant. And that's not because anyone is teaching CRT to K-12 students in North Dakota.

    While the new law purports to ban instruction on CRT, it actually prohibits teaching a wide range of topics. That's because it defines CRT very broadly. Here is the key portion of the law's text:

    A school district or public school may not include instruction relating to critical race theory in any portion of the district's required curriculum...or any other curriculum offered by the district or school. For purposes of this section, "critical race theory" means the theory that racism is not merely the product of learned individual bias or prejudice, but that racism is systemically embedded in American society and the American legal system to facilitate racial inequality.

    So the new law prohibits any instruction "related" to the idea that "racism is systemically embedded in American society" or the American "legal system." That means the bill bans any instruction or written materials referencing these ideas, whether or not they are endorsed by the teacher.

    Faced with these constraints, how can a teacher discuss slavery, the civil rights era, or the history of redlining? All of these topics are inextricably related to systemic racism in American society and its legal system.

    https://historynewsnetwork.org/article/181773
     
  6. Lee Atwater

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    So........you aren't familiar with his work. Got it.
     
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    There is no systemic racism, so those historical topics are perfectly in bounds.
     
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    Well, I only studied B. F. Skinner during a few courses I took in college, but I didn't make a career out of building "Skinner-boxes" if that's what you're carping about. Frankly, I found Skinner much easier to absorb when coupled with a big 'helping' of Abraham Maslow, and you are no doubt very familiar with him...(?)

    Anyway, I'm not quite sure what either Skinner or Maslow have to do with a manipulative hallucination like "systemic racism". The Civil Rights Act of 1964 and Voting Rights Act of 1965 put a welcome end to all previous REAL systemic racism in the United States many decades ago. Today, all American citizens are EQUAL BEFORE THE LAW, and, really, nothing else matters....

    But unfortunately two new forms of discrimination rose up in the 1970's and still exist today: "Reverse Discrimination" (a.k.a., "Affirmative Action"), and, the practice of setting-aside a large number of government contracts on which ONLY "minorities" may even submit a bid or win an award.

    Today, an even newer, more virulent leverage for the expedient illusion of "systemic racism" has gained currency, tied to demands for REPARATIONS, as our friend, Golem, has illustrated. Viewed edge-on, it's just another ad hoc initiative at bilking the taxpayers of the United States out of what would surely be even more billions of dollars in handouts to Blacks for no demonstrable, valid reason at all, especially given that the last slave in the United States passed away more than eighty years ago....
     
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    Black people have more power then white people, in many areas, like e.g. Chicago. they actually have no-go zones.
     
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    Kinda like radical Muslims enforce in a number of metro areas in Europe?

    So, 'Whitey' needs to stay the hell out a lot of Black enclaves in the United States -- but -- the same 'Whitey' needs to welcome diversity, and be all INCLUSIVE... right? :lol:
     
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    Harvard sociologist Orlando Patterson famously called enslavement a kind of “social death,” which made its subjects into people without legal recourse or community belonging. It was an economic and racial system that structured modernity as Europeans crossed the Atlantic to the Western Hemisphere. Saidiya Hartman, Professor of English at Columbia University, argues that there is an “afterlife” of slavery, that emancipation did not bring liberation for African-descended people but rather an everlasting battle against devaluation and fractionalized personhood, the legacies of which are found in the chants of Black Lives Matter demands and CRT denouncements.
    https://talkingpointsmemo.com/cafe/critical-race-theory-afterlives-of-slavery-america
     
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    Blah blah. Claims without data.
     
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    In other words, blacks are humiliated by their history. It's tough to have to base your identity on being a perennial victim.
     
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    It is rare when someone really cuts through all the rationalizations, bullshit, wild exaggerations, and deflections and 'tells-it-like-it-is', but you have!

    There's not a thing in the world 'wrong' with being Black, but the simple fact that the 'woke' crowd' tries so hard to provide cover for is that of the three main races of humanity, mostly-isolated Black civilizations never even came close to achieving the levels of advancement seen in either Caucasian or East-Asian countries.

    And before anyone calls me a "White Supremacist", research indicates that the race with highest overall IQ is the East-Asian ("Oriental")! Next comes Caucasian, and significantly below either of them, is Black. Me? I'm descended from Europeans -- as white as the proverbial 'sheet of paper'.

    And interesting research paper from 2005: https://www1.udel.edu/educ/gottfredson/30years/Rushton-Jensen30years.pdf . But, be warned, studies like this are like 'kryptonite' to the "'woke'-Superman"....
     
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    I don't think you are a white supremacist. But you HAVE most definitely fallen head first for white supremacist propaganda.

    IQ test don't measure intelligence. They measure many things that they were not designed to measure. Intelligence is not one of them.
     
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    That's a gross distortion of reality. And law is not "a set of rational principles and neutral practices that are applied to adjudicate our differences when things go wrong" as many think it is. Rather law is always wrapped up with a system of meaning and values, and it both reflects and constructs social relations. Those of us who oppose and expose systemic racism look at the origins of our American notions of property, beginning at a time when Indigenous people were not seen to have a right to the land because they did not farm it "rationally." We look at the time when people with African ancestry not only did not have their property rights protected by law, but they themselves were property. We show ways that these racial practices were built into the system from the beginning, and how they persist to the present day. And that pisses off racists who fear losing their imagined "privilege".

    In recent years it has become almost impossible to win a legal case claiming that one has been discriminated against. Several Supreme Court decisions make it such that there now needs to be proof of intent to discriminate. A few decades ago, it was enough to show statistically significant disparate outcomes. But no longer is that enough.

    The idea that an egalitarian society can be achieved or maintained through the mechanism of blind neutrality is fallacious. Racial discrimination is powerful precisely because of its frequent invisibility and its seeming "neutrality". Many white Americans feel that their natural god given right to white privilege is being taken away from them by moves toward equality. The familiarity and comfort they/we have been granted for the past few hundred years is slipping away. As the saying goes "to a person used to privilege, equality feels like oppression."

    The point is that we cannot have equality before the law in a culture steeped in racism.

    What's most shocking here is that you hold up a case of gang activity as your example of black people having "power". ARE YOU SH****** ME?????
     
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    That is good news. all races are equal according to U.S. Constitution.
    Next step is to eliminate unconstitutional special rights (Affirmative Actions).
    At least half of the people either were born after 1964 or came to US as an immigrants, so majority is people has nothing to do with your issues.
    There are millions of black people that are successful and happy you just have to follow their lifestyle.
     
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    You mean where it say some are 3/5 of a person? You'll have to show me where it says all races are equal.

    AND, you'll have to show me where the Constitution says Affirmative Action is a no-no.

    I'm not sure about the entirety of what you're saying due to bad grammar, but I ASSUME you are denying there is any systemic racism. If so, since the evidence is plentiful, you can believe what you want but the idea remains false.
     
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    Your "evidence" is not supported by any kind of facts.
    In United States, African Americans have more rights and privileges then European, Asian and Hispanic Americans.
    That is a fact.
     
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    “There is nothing more painful to me at this stage in my life than to walk down the street and hear footsteps... then turn around and see somebody white and feel relieved.”

    ― Jesse Jackson

    Black on Black crime is an American tragedy. One would think remediating it would be at the top of Democratic priorities. Yet I can't remember anyone other than Whites recognize it and lament about it. Racist thought: Let them kill themselves. Let them grow up without fathers (or even a non-gangbanger male role model). Let them grow up uneducated.

    What I do hear from Democrats is: Defund the police. Disband the police.

    What is wrong with you folks?
     
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    Maybe this would be a good starting point in disabusing yourself of right wing media disinformation about the misnamed defund the police movement. https://fivethirtyeight.com/feature...nding-the-police-more-than-the-slogan-itself/
     
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    CRT is taught to teachers, and they are coerced to frame their lessons around it.
    How Critical Race Theory Is Creeping Into More Schools

    Carrie Sheffield, NY Post

    If the lies of critical race theory can creep into the classrooms of Missouri’s Ozark Mountains, they’re undoubtedly in your community — even if school administrators illegally try to hide it.

    I am a proud Parkview HS Viking who graduated from Springfield Public Schools, deep in the beautiful Ozarks of southwestern Missouri. It’s part of the Bible Belt area, deeply conservative. Former President Donald Trump last fall carried Greene County (Springfield is the county seat) by a whopping 59 to 39 percent. He won neighboring Christian County 75 to 24 percent and Webster County 79 to 19 percent.

    So it was a shock to read reports that Springfield Public Schools is instructing teachers that they are white supremacists for requiring use of the English language or calling police on a black criminal suspect. SPS teacher training also listed such examples of “covert white supremacy” as “education funding from property tax,” “mass incarceration,” “treating kids of color as adults” and the phrase “All lives matter.”

    The stated purpose of the more-than-40-slide training deck, obtained by investigative journalist John Solomon (my former boss), is to combat “systemic racism and xenophobia.” It features an “oppression matrix” identifying “privileged” oppressors including “white people,” “male assigned at birth,” “gender conforming CIS men and women,” “heterosexuals,” “rich, upper-class people” and “Protestants.”. . . .
     
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    Hey, Kode -- try reading the Constitution AND its 27 Amendments! Link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_amendments_to_the_United_States_Constitution

    Then, you might want to review both the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and the Voting Rights Act of 1965! After those two went into effect, so long ago, all "systemic racism" was finally gotten rid of in the United States!:party:

    Thus, for more than 56 years, all American citizens are EQUAL BEFORE THE LAW! :flagus: . :woot:
     

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