Pentagon will send more than 50 F-35s to Europe to deter Russia

Original projections were for the U.S. alone to purchase some 2,000 F-35s.

We have to buy 2,000 of something as the U.S. has a projected 2,000 fighter/attack aircraft deficit.

 

Uh..don't we have AWACs planes that do this from much farther away and satellites that do it from Space? Just how detailed a picture of the battle space do we really need anyway? Conversely, if it's not meant to be a combat aircraft then why do we need so much combat capability that makes it difficult to fly

 

Satellites follow predictable paths with very little change possible.

If something travels in a predictable path you can avoid it. The U.S. proved this by having entire carrier battle groups evade Soviet surveillance satellites.

 

Neither of us are verses in all this stuff. My guess is that an F35 can get a lot
closer than a lumbering AWAC. It's 'more or less' invisible to most of the enemy
wheras an AWAC is not.
The F35 IS a combat aircraft, but other planes can do its job better, ie the F22.
But the F22 isn't as smart or slealthy as the F35 - so they must work together.

 

Australia could buy the newest F15, probably the best fighting jet ever built.
Or it could get the latest F16. I am sure we didnt' have to get the F35 - we
wouldn't compromise our security for political reasons... oh wait, there's those
home built Collins diesel submarines....

 

Are you friggen kidding me .. The reviews Australia did on the F35 were beyond damning.

 

Depends what reviews you read. I read both sides. Fortunately
the Australian Defence Force didn't rely on the media in deciding
what planes would eventually replace the venerable FA18.

 

BS you read both sides ..and doesn't seem you have read much given your lack of knowledge .. been correcting you left right and center .. on stuff that both sides agree on.. Go watch video I posted. This was Canada reviewing purchase of the Turkey .. discussing with expert ...

 

If we had a time machine, these same arguments were made about the F-14: F-16, and every other weapon and plane designed.
Today, it is all about the radar and how you interface your battle with it. I’m glad to see “those who know” keeping their yap’s shut.
China undoubtedly thinks we build useless crap. Good.

 

Did they manage to come up with any criticism of the F-35s stealth and bombing ability?

If it was just criticism of the F-35's dogfighting ability, that's old news. Everyone knows that the F-35 isn't a dogfighter.

 

Why you still beating this dead horse .. They came to the same conclusion as Sprey .. F-35 is a flying turkey that is not good at much.

 

I was curious as to whether they had any criticism of the F-35s stealth and bombing ability.

Why are you still beating this dead horse?

That doesn't answer my question.

Did they manage to come up with any criticism of the F-35s stealth and bombing ability?

 

Probably because Pierre Sprey told him to.

 

So, as an Australian defence procurer, ca 1970, would YOU have
recommended your air force purchase the super expensive, unreliable,
controversial, not-good-dog-fighter, butt-of-every-media-joke, under-
powered, overly-complicated, jack-of-all-trades F1-11 ?

 

Depends .. there are many factors to consider .. its not like you are considering all manufacturers .. the benefits of keeping the US happy may outweigh the cost of a shtty airplane... and its not that bad .. it flies .. when not raining .. can drop bombs .. but who on earth are the Auzzi's going to be bombing .. do they have an aircraft carrier ? Send out some planes to what land.. no worries mate.

 

... hadn't finished.....

 

Never as an air superiority fighter. But I would have advised it as a platform for attacking ships and ground targets. That's pretty much my advice regarding the F-35 too.

 

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Then by all means .. do so

 

No need to cry like a baby because a subject matter expert has debunked some of your nonsensical and unsupported claims.

 

Both questions were answered. Just go watch the video .. or review previous posts. What part of "Battle of Britain Radar can detect every stealth plane ever made" did you not understand ? That is what "They" say .. along with damning criticism of the F35s ground attack/support capability.

 

I had only one question.

And no. So far I have not been told what the Australians have to say about the F-35's stealth and ground attack ability.

I fully understand that Mr. Sprey is lying.

Got any quotes of the Australians saying it?

Got any quotes of the Australians saying that?

 

Yes, ANY radar can detect a stealth plane - but..... as always the devil is in the detal....
The returning signal from a stealth plane is much weaker
You need a much bigger radar and computers to detect it
You can't easily lock onto the signal.
With the F35 this becomes a big problem even for the SAM's such as the S400. You
won't know what hit you with this near invisible flying computer - not only coming in
for the first strike but co-ordinating and controlling all the aircraft behind it - situation
awareness, co-ordination, stealth and over time - reduced costs- that's the potential.

 

Correct .. detection is one thing .. targeting is related .. but a whole other world..

No idea . and neither do you .. none of these capabilities have been battle tested against a serious enemy .. under battle conditions . which comes back to my main point .. they won't be tested against a "Serious Enemy" not like China .. Russia .. India ... who else in the region can fight against a Tudor .. never mind an F16 .. and god forbid we unleash the F35 .. Trying to think of another in the region .. Japan ? obviously not .. Korea .. .. any plane will do .. F35 not as well as others .. but its a fine plane for what is required of it.

 

The F15 has a near perfect combat record, about 100 to 1 if I recall
But not 100% - one came down in Iraq war
But how long did it take to prove itself? Designed Viet War - first real
fight not by USA but Israel - decades later.
It's a pity they didn't continue with the F22, but then again, maybe I
am thinking in 'the last war' mode with combat jets.
Also not considered - new software renders US fighter aircraft near
unbeatable in dog fights.