Is Atheism a logical belief?

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  1. Jolly Penguin

    Jolly Penguin Well-Known Member

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    I don't know why you can't get it through your head that this has nothing to do with atheism. There exist atheists on every part of the spectrum of answers to your question. Some atheists strongly agree with you and others strongly disagree. You have brought your hobby horse into a thread in which it is irrelevant.
     
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    2+2 =4 because that's the system of arithmatic which man devised.
    You know a peach is sweet because you tasted it.
    A carpentor knows his tool is accurate because he's tested it.
    These are not beliefs but facts, because you tested them.
    You didn't test god because you can't.
     
  3. Jolly Penguin

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    Looked it up. It is, and I am sure it is a surprise to nobody to hear that the Baha'i have been persecuted for their religion since it was founded. How dare they be inclusive and not agree that X way is the only way. I am sensing a pattern here too.

    :)
     
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    Yes, that would probably upset the others.
     
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    There are several unfounded premises in your question making it unanswerable.

    1. You assume that I know what all atheists believe. There are hundreds of millions of avowed atheists in the world. I haven't the slightest idea how and what each and every one of them thinks, believes, likes, or hates. I can only speak for myself.

    2. Furthermore, you assume that all atheists - hundreds of millions - hold the same beliefs. Hasty generalization fallacy, unless you can actually prove your premise.

    3. You also assume that the hundreds of millions of atheists worldwide care about certain minorities in America enough to have a firm opinion about the why and the how of their lives. Somehow I doubt that, but feel free to prove your premise.

    4. Please clarify what these "certain minorities" are.

    5. Please prove that the above "certain minorities" can't make it in America.
     
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    Realize that, according to the logic you've presented, you are bigoted against anyone who isn't agnostic.
     
  7. Thingamabob

    Thingamabob Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Not possible. Religion is a belief in god(s). Atheism is a disbelief in religion/god(s).

    Someone who does not believe in god or religion cannot be religious just as someone who does not like/believe in sports is not an athlete.
     
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    I don't think there is an admiration but an understanding for people who have their lives plotted out for them (through religion) thus making life simpler. "Just do what you're told and everything will be fine."
     
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    Odd that you repeat my proofs of fact and then deny my point in kind, that in fact and more than belief, God lives. Like the math, peach, lemon, and level...How could I know it were there no proof to me. Why wouldn't I dwell in the safety of blissful generic belief and the surround of ancient doctrine for my armor, rather than to say that I know of a certainty that God lives? How could I know that? Your error is in ignoring the existence and power of God. Have you considered that God "tested me because he can"? And that that is the truth? Hearing, reading, learning, surmising, concluding, reasoning, hoping and believing aside, (because it all falls short of the truth)...how can any man actually know that God lives without his direct intercession and the resurrection or stirring of ones remembrance of him? And how could one remember him if having never known him? It's because we've all been stricken with some type of amnesia and have forgotten him.
     
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    Where do you get that idea? Never mind what I personally believe or disbelieve ..... I don't like people ringing me up or knocking on my door trying to sell me something that I specifically don't want. It doesn't make me "bigoted" even if I tell them "F-off".
     
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    LOL!
     
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    I haven't complained about you believing in something without evidence.

    If you want to believe there is a god, fine!
     
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    OOoopsie, guess yer wrong

    Secular religion
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    A secular religion is a communal belief system that often rejects or neglects the metaphysical aspects of the supernatural, commonly associated with traditional religion, instead placing typical religious qualities in earthly entities. Among systems that have been characterized as secular religions are capitalism, nationalism, internationalism, Nazism, fascism, feminism, communism, Maoism, Juche, progressivism, transhumanism, Religion of Humanity, Jacobinism, and the Cult of Reason and Cult of the Supreme Being that developed after the French Revolution.

    I guess you dont need a G/god to have a religion after all, why you spewing that nonsense out here?


    Yep disbelieve is the BELIEF that the NEGATION of a proposition is true.
     
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    So then you agree that many atheists are in fact racist
     
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    you should study orwell so you know that it is.
     
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    Sure. There is nothing about atheism that means somebody isn't racist, sexist, or anything else. Smart goes for theists.
     
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    I know what Orwellian means. Do you? I doubt it.
     
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    Not-belief is not the same as belief in the opposite.

    Depends on what is meant by "religion". Look in some other dictionaries and you will find it being defined as being about God(s).
     
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    That plus cultural acceptance and fitting in with peers etc. There are plenty of people, especially plenty of those who grow up in religious families, who wish they could be believers.
     
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    great now we are getting somewhere, you agree that atheists are racist. thank you
     
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    thanks again for confirming what I just said!
    Look in some other dictionaries and you will find it being defined as being about atheism
    why not? lol
     
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    no you dont
     
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    Some are, sure. Why would anyone think otherwise? Atheism has nothing to do with racism.
     
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    I definitely believe that. My wife, who has absolutely no interest in politics, the world, humanity, documentary films, or any academic subjects, tells me that I "think too much". She's right, I'm sure she is. I get nightmares and I worry about humanity and who will win the next election, etc. Not her. If I were religious, for example, I'd only have to do what I'm told and probably be exempt from nightmares about what might happen tomorrow. The bottom line is, I agree with you.
     
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    Not turning right doesn't necessarily equate to turning left. Not going up doesn't necessarily equate to going down. Not believing there is a God doesn't necessarily equate to believing there is no God. This should not be so difficult for you to grasp, especially when you claim to be agnostic.
     
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