Is Atheism a logical belief?

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    If you don't know what the general population of atheists believe why did you respond to my post?
     
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    Realize that I'm bigoted against anyone who discounts the existence of god(s) while at the same time can't explain or declare it's not important:roll: how the universe was created, for example.
    Then realize I'm also bigoted against anyone who's bigoted against white Trump supporters, for example.
     
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    Do what you're told and everything will be fine is a motto of theists?...I thought that was a motto of atheists.

    More specifically, it's probably a motto for both atheists and theists.
     
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    This...
     
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    Why do you tell them to **** off? I suspect in the case of the atheist it's because the bell ringer and peddler wanted to peddle religion.
     
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    Hey genius, if you choose to believe you are not an elephant than you could choose to believe you are an elephant. You are saying you actually have that choice. I don't. I am don't choose to believe I am not an elephant. I am compelled.

    I concede that you don't know what the word "choose" means.
     
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    I admire some. I don't admire them for being theists. Just as I don't admire people for believing in homeopathy.
     
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    Actually, no. That's often why people are atheist, but it doesn't have to be why. Atheist and rationalist are not synonymous. They just often coincide.

    To be an atheist you only need to not believe God(s) exist. It doesn't matter why.
     
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    I suppose some people would reject the idea of a god for non-rational reasons. Many people think with their emotions, after all. That's why they elect charismatic but useless and immoral politicians.
    Maybe they just don't like the idea. Or they've been raped by a priest. Or they were brought up in an atheist family and never got exposed to the virus.
    You've made a good point.
     
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    Yes. And there are plenty of atheists who believe in ghosts, homeopathy, and other unfounded woo. Being atheist doesn't necessarily mean being rational, even if theism is irrational.
     
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    Doing the right thing isn't religious. But it is, imo, to love the true God. Doing what's right is a greater sermon than the recitation of many scriptures, putting the pious to shame. Should one untwine oneself from ones higher nature, and rip out by the roots all that we hold dear, and divest ourselves from reason? Should we hate ourselves and God? Why, and to what end? No, we do good for the love of truth because it is right. And whether or not we lay it to God, it nevertheless precedes and follows us. Aside from acceptance of Jesus Christ, repentance, baptism and the receiving of the holy ghost by authority, what more does Christianity exhort us to than an abundance of what we already love and do. It is not alien to us. And it is not religion, but truth. What is odd or alien is the world in which we find ourselves.
     
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    And good luck to you, for doing good like religion always does, by persecuting and demonising gay people for loving and being loved, by covering up wide-spread child abuse by priests, and by taking away control of their own bodies from women. It's the old saying: what a man says you may not believe, but what a man does is incontrovertable. You can say all those nice words, but religion is evil in it's actions.
     
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    You're conflating generalities which are evident about whites with racism.

    that said, I have never said all Trump supporters are racist
     
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    I don't admire atheists 'cause they're bigoted against religion.
     
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    You just admitted (as all atheists must) a bigotry towards religion. Just wanna know what makes the atheist tick: Why this atheist bigotry against religion? I mean, do all atheists disbelieve in things of which there is no proof???...NO...Just religion.:roll:

    Being atheist and being rational often doesn't coincide...That's my problem with atheism...Well, that and the bigotry towards religion.
     
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    Said...thought...Tomato...tomahto.

    BTW, where's the evidence whites are racist? Hum?
     
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    if you have the ability to lie to yourself and choose atheist when you have no factual evidence or proof G/gods do not exist you also have the ability to lie to yourself and believe you are an elephant when you are "compelled" to believe you are an elephant, just like all the times you were compelled to falsify what I post.

    Can we see a citation on this atheist gene that prevents choice and also a good explanation how it is possible that theists and agnostics exist when no one has a choice. I need another good laugh.
     
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    Still pedaling that pile of stupid :icon_shithappens: around town?
    There are a huge number of people that do not believe G/gods exist and they are legitimately/academically classified as NOT atheist and anyone who claims they are would be functionally delusional.
     
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    I don't have that ability. If I have no evidence a particular God does not exist, for example a deist God, then I can not choose to believe that God does not exist. I also can not choose to believe that particular God does exist, if I have no evidence it does, and I am compelled to be what you call agnostic in regard to that deist God.

    I remain amazed that you think you, me, or any sane person is able to make that choice.

    I also remain amazed that you keep pretending I said or think there is an atheist gene, no matter how many times I correct you.
     
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    No, I didn't. But you seem to need to need that to be so. I suspect you may be the one harbouring bigotry.

    That appears to be false, since you ask the same question repeatedly and refuse to acknowledge the answers given. If you addressed the answers you were given and sought further clarification that would be one thing, but you aren't.

    Being anything and being rational often doesn't coincide. So what? Do you have a problem with everything? Or do you expect that atheists should be especially rational?
     
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    I'm not being critical of you choosing to believe there is a god.

    And, yes - I do work to follow evidence. But, I'm sure there are theists who do, too.
     
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    Nonsense. It is due to a recognition of the current situation in America.

    Reparations is about history. Our current laws are about our current situation.
     
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    When humans do not know something, that doesn't mean God did it.

    It just means we don't know something.

    Being a theist does not require you to believe that god is the answer to all the questions for which you have no other answer.

    btw: Your use of "bigoted" says way more about you than anyone else.
     
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    some white are racist, some blacks are racist, plenty of proof some of both groups are racist
     
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    Do you have a favorite religion?
     

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