When you can't explain this, how can you explain climate?

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  1. GrayMan

    GrayMan Well-Known Member

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    It's about global averages. The moisture content does increase and global greening has been a result.
     
  2. WillReadmore

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    I think the global greening issue has to do with CO2, not moisture.

    Warming does increase the ability of the atmosphere to retain moisture. That's the root cause of the "lake effect" in the region east of the great lakes where there is more snowfall when winter temperatures are less frigid.

    But, that doesn't mean that there is more precipitation everywhere.
     
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    Bull

    You just cannot stop lying.

    Take the atmosphere. What did the original unfudged data say?

    Search for

    2005 nbc evaporates satellites balloons

    There it is. The satellite and balloon data showed NO WARMING in the atmosphere before your heroes FUDGED BOTH with uncorrellated "corrections."

    Stop lying about that.

    Stop lying about that

    Maybe if you repeat STOP LYING over and over a PARROT might comprehend it....
     
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    You never THINK, you just mindlessly repeat others....
     
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    Wow, the warmers say global warming is causing the fires and droughts....

    No matter what happens, global warming is the cause of it....

    It is "greening" earth and causing fires and droughts too....

    NICE
     
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    edthecynic Well-Known Member

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    Like YOU!
     
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    edthecynic Well-Known Member

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    ACTUALLY THAT WAS DENIER ROYBOI SPENCER WHO GOT CAUGHT RED HANDED FUDGING THE DATA YOU MINDLESSLY PARROT!!!!
     
  8. WillReadmore

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    That article explains why the older balloon data are wrong.

    The earlier balloons were not shielded from the sun, so daytime temperatures were recorded as higher. Thus when shielding improved the temperatures were cooler.

    So, some suggested this meant Earth is cooling - but, that is clearly NOT the proper explanation. And, that was pointed out to you in your cite!!

    >> Why did you reject what is explained in YOUR OWN CITE?

    But, surely you can also notice that there are different kinds of balloons and that balloons are only one kind of platform for measurement of temperature.

    Temperatures are measured at various altitudes from surface to high atmosphere using various technologies. Besides that, there are a number of significant independent efforts to measure Earth's temperature at these various altitudes, not just one.

    The result is that temperature data may be compared and cross checked.

    That's why scientists working in this field are confident of the fact that Earth is warming.
     
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    I actually understand the difference between raw data and fudge.

    You apparently do not...

    Is the atmosphere warming?

    The highly correlated satellite and balloon data said no. Co2 went up, atmospheric temps did not.

    THEORY REJECTED


    Or just fudge the data and keep the co2 fraud going, because you get tons of taxpayer money to keep lying and fudging data....
     
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    No...

    Raw data is raw data, what the instruments recorded...

    Weather channel and NBC both reported it, but weather channel has since deleted their online news accounts...

    It is as if you have no idea about anything....
     
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    Lmfao....


    The thermometer was wrong. The orbit wobbled. Fudge both higher....


    Good grief...

    Science is not

    Fraud
    Fudging data
    Parroting

    And hence you have never practiced science....




    Repeat after me. The raw data from satellites and balloons was highly correlated and showed no warming in the atmosphere.

    The only "warming" in the atmosphere is FUDGE....
     
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    Because it was fudged by RoyBoi Spencer, who got caught red handed and had to admit his data was wrong.
     
  13. edthecynic

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    Since the late 1950s, all radiosonde data sets show that the low and mid troposphere have warmed at a rate slightly faster than the rate of warming at the surface.

    For observations during the satellite era (1979 onwards), the most recent versions of all available data sets show that both the low and mid troposphere have warmed. The majority of these data sets show warming at the surface that is greater than in the troposphere
     
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    You didn't even read your own CITE!!!
     
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    There is always an 8th lie to cover up the first 7.

    That is what $400 billion per year of taxdollars enables...

    Spencer did not fudge the raw data. Many entities had access to the same data. Nice lie...
     
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    There is no reading with will.

    There is get on knees and parrot parrot parrot... Never question or notice...


    For more than a quarter century after Algore launched the co2 fraud, the highly correlated satellite and balloon data showed no warming in the atmosphere despite rising co2. Then, in 2005, the warmers simply fudged both with uncorrellated laughable "corrections" to show "warming"

    THAT NEVER EXISTED IN THE ACTUAL DATA


    Test the co2 hypothesis.

    Co2 went up

    Atmospheric temp did not

    THEORY REJECTED



    No no no no we fudged both so will can continue to parrot us....
     
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    Parroting fudged data does not make you intelligent....
     
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    Cite something that supports your claim.

    There are scientists working on this problem all over the entire world.

    Saying "Al Gore" means absolutely nothing. Climate doesn't care about Al Gore, and he's a politician, not a scientist. And, if you are trying to claim there is a conspiracy theory, he doesn't even help with that, as he does not now nor ever has ruled the world or controled science.

    Again - cite something that supports your claims, whatever they are.
     
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    The climate "scientists" are not scientists, they are frauds who fudge data, chase down tectonic events to discover "warming" caused by magma releases, they lie about why the Marshall Islands are sinking, they have lied for three decades about Antarctic ice growing, they fudged both satellites and balloon atmospheric data, they were hauled into a British court in 2007 and were found to be lying about both Antarctic ice and co2 vs "temps" in the past. The climate gate emails should encourage some questioning....

    Why HIDE THE DECLINE?

    Why hide anything?

    You have to be an unimaginably brainless partisan to believe them....
     
  20. WillReadmore

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    ???

    >>>Please cite something relating to these claims of yours.
     
  21. edthecynic

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    But it does make you a hypocrite when you do it.
    Now pay attention, Deniers Christy and Spencer ADMITTED their data you mindlessly parrot was WRONG.

    Some scientists who question whether human-caused global warming poses a threat have long pointed to records that showed the atmosphere's lowest layer, the troposphere, had not warmed over the last two decades and had cooled in the tropics.

    Now two independent studies have found errors in the complicated calculations used to generate the old temperature records, which involved stitching together data from thousands of weather balloons lofted around the world and a series of short-lived weather satellites.

    A third study shows that when the errors are taken into account, the troposphere actually got warmer. Moreover, that warming trend largely agrees with the warmer surface temperatures that have been recorded and conforms to predictions in recent computer models.

    The three papers were published yesterday in the online edition of the journal Science.

    The scientists who developed the original troposphere temperature records from satellite data, John R. Christy and Roy W. Spencer of the University of Alabama in Huntsville, conceded yesterday that they had made a mistake
     
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    Search for

    Al gore British court 2007 11 inconsistencies


    We went to court. Your side lost. Your side did not appeal....
     
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    Lol....


    Satellites return temp data. Balloons return temp data. Data is recorded.

    For 3 decades, the data shows NO WARMING in the atmosphere and was highly correlated. In 1998, the first Bill Clinton "warmest year ever" both the satellites and balloons showed a cooler than normal atmospheric temp for 1998, the CORRELATION - 2 different measures of the same thing return the same data.

    There was no scientific basis to question the data. The data was accurate.

    The motive to FUDGE was $2 trillion American tax dollars wasted on a total fraud that is

    THE GREATEST CRIME EVER AGAINST THE ACTUAL ENVIRONMENT

    Complete with warmers setting fires to dried out vegetation to blame the fires on "warming" that never existed in the actual raw data....
     
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    Pure HOGWASH!
    All the satellite and balloon data showed warming except the FUDGED data from deniers Christy and Spencer at UAH which was PROVEN fake by Wentz and Mears of RSS.
    Interesting that deniers Christy and Spencer, who claim to be the foremost experts in satellite data, did not even know the correct sign to use to correct for Diurnal Satellite Drift.

    Starting around 2001, the satellite data and methods of Dr. Christy and Dr. Spencer were re-examined by Carl A. Mears and Frank J. Wentz, scientists at Remote Sensing Systems, a company in Santa Rosa, Calif., that does satellite data analysis for NASA.

    They and several other teams have since found more significant warming trends than the original estimate.

    But the new paper, by Dr. Mears and Dr. Wentz, identifies a fresh error in the original calculations that, more firmly than ever, showed warming in the troposphere, particularly in the tropics.

    The error, in a calculation used to adjust for the drift of the satellites, was disclosed to the University of Alabama scientists at one of the government-run meetings this year, Dr. Christy said.
     
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    Al Gore is not a scientist. Plus we've learned a lot over the last 20 years.

    Whether Earth is warming and what is causing it is not a political issue. It is an issue of science.

    >>Please cite something about the science.
     
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