About the Holocaust

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  1. Ronstar

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    why would you post this?

    what is the point?

    to justify Nazi persecution of the Jews?

    fact is, Nazi violence against the Jews started long before the anti-Nazi boycott, which you should know was REJECTED by the Jews of Germany as they feared it would give the Nazis an excuse to persecute the Jews even more, and they were right.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1933_anti-Nazi_boycott


    Following Adolf Hitler's appointment as German Chancellor in January 1933, an organized campaign of violence and boycotting was undertaken by Hitler's Nazi Party against Jewish businesses.[1] The anti-Jewish boycott was tolerated and possibly organized by the regime, with Hermann Göring stating that "I shall employ the police, and without mercy, wherever German people are hurt, but I refuse to turn the police into a guard for Jewish stores".[1]

    The Central Jewish Association of Germany felt obliged to issue a statement of support for the regime and held that "the responsible government authorities [i.e. the Hitler regime] are unaware of the threatening situation," saying, "we do not believe our German fellow citizens will let themselves be carried away into committing excesses against the Jews."[2] Prominent Jewish business leaders wrote letters in support of the Nazi regime calling on officials in the Jewish community in Palestine, as well as Jewish organizations abroad, to drop their efforts in organizing an economic boycott.[3] The Association of German National Jews, a marginal group that had supported Hitler in his early years, also argued against the Jewish boycott of German goods.[4][5][6]
     
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    The only "cause" I have is attempting to look at WW 2 and the holocaust objectively, completely and honestly rather than blindly regurgitating residual Allied propaganda and myths generated for the fraudulent Holocaust Industry and its complicit MSM.

    The directions different former inmates took after being discharged or liberated from the German work camps varied as much as the individuals themselves. Some followed the army of Russian rapists to join in the plunder and establish their own real death Camps like Salomon Morel. Others stayed in the East or went South to Turkey(1) and from there to any country that would take them.

    One thing is sure and that is if there had been a genocidal German agenda against all Jews, then Jews would not have been high ranking Nazi Party members(2) or comprised 150,000 German soldiers(3) with some rising to the highest ranks and receiving Germany's highest honors.

    How do you explain that?

    Now, how could those evil Germans have killed "millions" in "death" camps and yet leave so few human remains at any of the work camps? (4), (5), (6)

    By the way, there was only enough coal / coke delivered to Auschwitz for 70,000 cremations and for decades, the Holocaust Industry claimed that 4 million were killed.



    (1) "Chapter IX — THE JEWS AND THE CONCENTRATION CAMPS A FACTUAL APPRAISAL BY THE RED CROSS"
    https://www.historiography-project.com/books/19740000-did-six-million-really-die/d6mrd09.php

    EXCERPTS "Volume III of the Report of the ICRC, Chapter 3 (I. Jewish Civilian Population)…this chapter makes it quite plain that by no means all of the European Jews were placed in internment camps but remained, subject to certain restrictions, as part of the free civilian population. This conflicts directly with the “thoroughness” of the supposed “extermination programme”, and with the claim in the forged Hoess memoirs that Eichmann was obsessed with seizing “every single Jew he could lay his hands on.”

    Not only did large numbers of the three million or so European Jews avoid internment altogether, but the emigration of Jews continued throughout the war, generally by way of Hungary, Rumania and Turkey. Ironically, post-war Jewish emigration from German-occupied territories was also facilitated by the Reich, as in the case of the Polish Jews who had escaped to France before its occupation."CONTINUED


    (2) “List of Nazis of non-Germanic descent”
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Nazis_of_non-Germanic_descent

    EXCERPT “Notably, there were several high-ranking Nazis of full and partial Jewish descent. “ CONTINUED


    (3) “Hitler’s Jewish Army”
    http://counterpsyops.com/2013/02/14/...-hitlers-army/

    EXCERPT “Thousands of men of Jewish descent and hundreds of what the Nazis called ‘full Jews’ served in the German military with Adolf Hitler’s knowledge and approval.

    In approximately 20 cases, Jewish soldiers in the Nazi army were awarded(*)Germany’s highest military honor, the Knight’s Cross.

    Jews also served in the Nazi police and security forces as ghetto police(Ordnungdienst)(*)and concentration camp guards(*)(kapos).

    So what happens to the claim that Hitler sought to exterminate all Jews, when he allowed some of them to join in his struggle against Bolshevism and International finance capitalism?

    “If the Jews were permitted to serve in Hitler’s armed forces then there could not have been a Holocaust.”CONTINUED


    (4) “Treblinka: Revealing the hidden graves of the Holocaust”
    https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-16657363

    EXCERPT “Despite this, in a later statement they said they had discovered no mass graves.” CONTINUED


    (5) “Treblinka Ground Radar Examination Finds No Trace of Mass Graves”
    https://www.historiography-project.com/jhrchives/v19/v19n3p20_radar.php

    EXCERPT “A detailed forensic examination of the site of the wartime Treblinka camp, using sophisticated electronic ground radar, has found no evidence of mass graves there.” CONTINUED


    (6) “Air Photo Evidence”
    http://www.vho.org/GB/Books/dth/fndaerial.html

    EXCERPT

    The Bottom Line

    "To this day there is no air photo evidence to support the alleged mass murder of the Jews at any location in Europe occupied by the Germans during World War Two. Further, air photo analysis refutes the claim that the 'Nazis' had intended, at whatever time, to keep events in the alleged extermination camps secret. In many cases the air photos provide clear proof that some of the events attested to by witnesses, such as the destruction of the Hungarian Jews or the mass executions at Babi Yar, did not in fact take place. We may hope that the release of Soviet air photos dating from the time the camps were in operation will shed further light on these issues. The fact that these photos have not been published to date may already speak for itself. That the photos in western hands were altered in order to incriminate Germany, and were first published by the CIA, is also very significant indeed." CONTINUED
     
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    wait, so now you're saying there was no Holocaust????
     
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    wait a second, so NOW you're saying that deaths camps WERE real????

    its just that the Soviets and Jews ran them, not the innocent, sweet, tender loving Nazis.

    gotcha

    LOL!!!!!!!! :p
     
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    Hmm, you mention this guy Morel and his so-called "death camps" a lot.

    Got any evidence he ran actual "death camps"?

    How many crematoria did they have set up to deal with all the bodies in these so-called "death camps"?

    Auschwitz-Birkenau had enough cremation ovens to handle like 600,000 bodies a year, how many bodies was Morel's camps able to handle? hmmm?

    how many Germans each year died in these so-called "death camps"?

    what was their main method of execution?

    Sounds more like your Soviet "death camp" nonsense is...well...nonsense.
     
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    Nazi-allies usually weren't as murderous as the Hitler-Boys themselves, except the Austrians. Many main figures around the Holocaust were Austrians including Odilo Globocnik and Hitler himself.

    Actually, it is wrong to accuse the Germans of mass murdering Jews. The perpetrators claimed to be German, but strictly speaking, they were foreigners. :(
     
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    EVEN MORE EVASIONS



    By digging up snippets of my older posts and taking them out of context you are only proving what I have repeatedly stated:

    Holocaustians will do anything to evade facing facts that prove that the holocaust is the most grossly inflated and wildly exaggerated event in modern history.

    I have repeatedly asked you to explain how "millions" of Jews and other could have been killed in German run work camps when so few if any mass graves remain (1), (2), (3) but you have chosen to avoid facing this fact by digging up snippets of my older Posts and misrepresenting my views.

    If the multi billion dollar, international Holocaust Industry will lie about 850,000 people being killed at Treblinka, they will and have lied about the means and number of deaths at other locations.

    It is important to remember that even complete cremations leave bones and teeth(4) and open air cremations leave even more visible remains.

    Therefore, if "millions" had been killed, there would have been mountains of bones and teeth but nothing like that has been found in any of the German run work camps.

    Where are the remains of "millions" of people allegedly killed by the Germans, Ronstar, and why are you so desperate to evade this question?

    The Red Cross and the former East German government both claim that the total work camp death toll was fewer than 280,000 and that most of those deaths were from disease or natural causes.(5)

    OK Ronstar, taking snippets of my older Posts out of context is simply an obvious cheap evasion ploy to avoid substantive debate.

    Now, please explain how "millions" could have been killed in German work camps when so few remains have been found.


    (1) “Treblinka: Revealing the hidden graves of the Holocaust”
    https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-16657363

    EXCERPT “Despite this, in a later statement they said they had discovered no mass graves.” CONTINUED


    (2) “Treblinka Ground Radar Examination Finds No Trace of Mass Graves”
    https://www.historiography-project.com/jhrchives/v19/v19n3p20_radar.php

    EXCERPT “A detailed forensic examination of the site of the wartime Treblinka camp, using sophisticated electronic ground radar, has found no evidence of mass graves there.” CONTINUED


    (3) “Air Photo Evidence”
    http://www.vho.org/GB/Books/dth/fndaerial.html

    EXCERPT

    The Bottom Line


    "To this day there is no air photo evidence to support the alleged mass murder of the Jews at any location in Europe occupied by the Germans during World War Two. Further, air photo analysis refutes the claim that the 'Nazis' had intended, at whatever time, to keep events in the alleged extermination camps secret. In many cases the air photos provide clear proof that some of the events attested to by witnesses, such as the destruction of the Hungarian Jews or the mass executions at Babi Yar, did not in fact take place. We may hope that the release of Soviet air photos dating from the time the camps were in operation will shed further light on these issues. The fact that these photos have not been published to date may already speak for itself. That the photos in western hands were altered in order to incriminate Germany, and were first published by the CIA, is also very significant indeed." CONTINUED


    (4) "9 Things About Cremation"
    https://www.elementalnw.com/2014/05/26/9-things-cremation/

    EXCERPT "2. You don’t get ash back. What’s really returned to you is the person’s skeleton. Once you burn off all the water, soft tissue, organs, skin, hair, cremation container/casket, etc., what you’re left with is bone." CONTINUED


    (5) "INTERNATIONAL RED CROSS (IRC) DOCUMENT CONFIRMS 271 THOUSAND NOT 6 MILLION DIED IN CONCENTRATION CAMPS"
    https://archive.org/details/auschwitz_201905

    EXCERPTS:

    "OFFICIAL INTERNATIONAL RED CROSS RECORDS RELEASED

    Sealed and guarded since the end of WWII at Arolsen, Germany, the Official IRC records reveal the actual Concentration Camp total death toll was 271,301

    For years, people around the world – “the West” in particular – have been told that “six million Jews were systematically murdered by Germans in ‘Concentration Camps’ during World War 2.”

    Thousands of honest people disputing this claim have been viciously smeared as a hateful anti-Semite. Several countries around the world have jailed and heavily fined people for disputing the claim that “6 Million” Jews were killed.

    Red Cross and East German government figures put the total deaths at every camp as 272.000, and 282,000 respectively which includes homosexuals, communists, gypsies, murderers, paedophiles etc. The 6 Million figure is a Kabbalist number, a magickal figure which featured in news papers in the early 1900’s." CONTINUED

     
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    FALSE!!!!

    The Red Cross never stated that the total number killed in the Holocaust is 280,000. What they did say, is that the Nazis only registered around 280,000 deaths. Most of their victims who died by gassing, shooting, starvation, exhaustion, torture, the Nazis did not count. That is the actual view of the International Red Cross. However we do have statements from high ranking Nazis and documents showing that millions died on their watch.
     
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    Do a Google search for "Holocaust mass graves", "Holocaust pile bodies".

    The photos are endless. Nazis didn't hide their crimes so well.
     
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    Add all the images of bone and body piles that could be anyone including German citizens and POWs and you might have about 280,000 as claimed by the Red Cross and the former East German government.

    Remember, these pictures were taken by the same Allied propagandists that had photographic "proof" of human skin lampshades, human fat soap, shrunken heads, and other grisly frauds intended to deceive and shock anyone gullible enough to believe.

    America's propaganda agency (the OWI; Office of War Information) worked closely with Hollywood's movie moguls like Billy Wilder, John Ford, George Stevens to make the scenes even more gruesome(1)

    While bone and body piles make impressive photo-ops they are in no way proof of fictitious "gassing" or a genocidal German agenda. They are only evidence that the Germans were unable to feed and medically treat inmates that were usually fed and treated well in medical facilities because Germany was in ruins toward the end of the war due to Allied bombing of civilian infrastructure.

    Even Arno Mayer asserts that disease was the primary killer and no honest historian claims that anyone was killed in fictitious homicidal gas chambers.

    I notice that you conveniently omitted any mention of Treblinka where the Holocaust Industry asserts that about 850,000 to 1 million were killed.

    How do you explain the fact that two teams of researchers were unable to find any mass graves?

    If the fraudulent Holocaust Industry (2), (3) and its complicit MSM are lying about Treblinka, what other lies have so many been duped into believing?
    Also, if the Holocaust Industry would deliberately cheat holocaust survivors, it would certainly lie about a genocidal German agenda, "gas chambers" & "millions of Jews killed"

    Again, why are there no mass graves at Treblinka?




    (1) "The Hollywood Directors Who Filmed the Liberation of Nazi Concentration Camps"
    https://hyperallergic.com/426644/lamoth-filming-the-camps-the-holocaust/

    EXCERPT "George Stevens, John Ford, and Samuel Fuller, best known for their work in Hollywood, all documented the Allied liberation at the end of the war.

    But during this period of war, they were acting less as artists than as functionaries of US propaganda and information efforts, working for the US Armed Forces and Secret Services.CONTINUED


    (2) "17 CHARGED IN $42 MILLION HOLOCAUST FRAUD CASE"
    http://www.nbcnews.com/id/40093058/...ed-million-holocaust-fraud-case/#.XU62pSMwi_U

    EXCERPT "Federal prosecutors said Tuesday they have broken up a long-running scam in which people falsely claimed to be victims of the Nazi persecution so they could get money out of a fund that pays Holocaust reparations."CONTINUED


    (3)"HOLOCAUST CLAIMS CONFERENCE FRAUD LIKELY ‘MUCH HIGHER’ THAN $57 MILLION"
    http://www.jpost.com/Diaspora/Holoc...aud-likely-much-higher-than-57-million-408298

    EXCERPT "For over a decade, a criminal ring within the organization embezzled tens of millions of dollars through false restitution claims.”CONTINUED
     
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    Feel free to show anywhere where anything I have written and supported has been "debunked".

    My contention is basically that the German people have been demonized, extorted and viciously persecuted for many crimes that they simply did not commit.

    The same people who lied earlier about human skin lampshades, human fat soap, shrunken heads, electrified conveyor belts (1) a "newly invented human vaporizer"(2) and other grisly frauds are lying today about homicidal gas chambers, "millions" of Jews executed and a genocidal German agenda.

    These are not just harmless hoaxes to extort money but the basis for which countless Germans were murdered in Soviet style "show trials" so corrupt that former president Eisenhower more ethical brother condemned them as "...a black page in the history of the world"(3)




    (1) "Auschwitz Electrical Conveyor belt of Death"
    https://disjecta.wordpress.com/2018/01/26/auschwitz-electrical-conveyor-belt-of-death/

    EXCERPT "It’s a little known fact that running alongside the scientifically implausible gas chambers at Auschwitz ran the electrified conveyor belts of death. These industrialised slaughter belts, we can assume took the passive cargo directly from the “cattle cars” and electrocuted the hapless victims without struggle then disposed of the evidence in Nazi furnaces. One can only guess at the “special devices” for killing children. Somehow visions of Willy Wonka’s Chocolate/extermination factory spring to mind."CONTINUED


    (2) "Auschwitz: Myths and Facts"
    http://www.ihr.org/leaflets/auschwitz.shtml

    EXCERPT "At the Nuremberg Tribunal, chief US prosecutor Robert Jackson charged that the Germans had used a "newly invented" device to instantaneously "vaporize" 20,000 Jews near Auschwitz "in such a way that there was no trace left of them." [8] No reputable historian now accepts either of these fanciful tales."CONTINUED


    (3) "President Eisenhower’s Brother, An Attorney, Condemned The Nuremberg & Eichmann Trials"
    http://www.renegadetribune.com/president-eisenhowers-brother-attorney-condemned-nuremberg-eichmann-trials/

    QUOTE:

    "I think the Nuremberg trials are a black page in the history of the world…I discussed the legality of these trials with some of the lawyers and some of the judges who participated therein. They did not attempt to justify their action on any legal ground, but rested their position on the fact that in their opinion, the parties convicted were guilty…"

    Edgar N. Eisenhower, American attorney: Brother of President Dwight D. Eisenhower
     
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    Case in point…
     
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    Rejecting Nazism is not anti-German, just as rejecting Zionism is not anti-Semitism.

    I don't hate Germans and I don't hate Jews. If somebody's good or bad never ever depends on his ancestry.

    But I definitely hate Nazis and today's Zionists because both are fans of a radical nationalism which is extremely toxic and murderous!
     
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    Just to be clear, I reject Nazism and all other forms of totalitarianism. Zionism, too, is just another form of hate filled, racist extremism.

    It is also impossible to believe the fraudulent holocaust narrative without also embracing hate filled anti German racist myths since no single nationality, religious or ethnic group is intrinsically either good or evil.

    Finally, the closest thing we have today to totalitarianism are repressive "holocaust denial" laws that are used to persecute people for rejecting a holocaust narrative that is too fragile to withstand honest examination and open debate.

    The truth welcomes the same honest examination and open debate while a lie can only survive under the protection of holocaust denial laws.
     
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    But you smear people opposing Holocaust Denial as anti-Germans. That's ridiculous.

    Today's Germans don't hate Jews as Hitler told their grandparents, and they don't love Hitler and his false ideology.

    Just wake up, bro! Holocaust denial is absolutely senseless. :)
     
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    It has been thoroughly debunked, your ridiculous claim that at the height of Nazi power, only 4.5 million Jews were under their control. Such an absurd idea could only be true if the Nazis never invaded Ukraine, western Russia, eastern Poland, Hungary. Serbia.

    But of course, you continue to DENY this easily supported and understood truth.

    Why do you insist on denying hard facts like this? Who the hell knows. But I have some theories that can't be mentioned here.
     
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    Modern 2021 Nazis are the Iranian region and the Palestinian Hamas.
    Iran is The Only country in the UN which calls on public to eliminate another country in the UN -Israel.
    And same call comes from the Islamo Jihado Hamas , Gaza's rulers.
     

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