Ethan Crumbley’s parents facing involuntary manslaughter charges

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  1. flyboy56

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    $1M bail set for parents after failing to be in court today. Life is hard, it's even harder when you're stupid. I think I'd get another lawyer if this is what their lawyer recommended they do.
     
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    Sorry if it bothers you.
     
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    You have better skills than just this anecdotal crap with apocalyptic conclusions. I remember your argument to respect civil war commemorative parks and statues well Sir. It was quite excellent and well considered. Have you addressed the particulars of this case as well to your own satisfaction?

    To quote a line from the Big Lebowski, "Don't be fatuous, Injeun"

    They were hiding from the public, not the police? Good Lord.... Dude, dude, dude.... Biden is a complete and utter disappointment and that he was the best that the Ds and the left could offer us over Trump is the definition of deplorable. Absurdities abound in politics and you seem to only be contributing to them with your assertion that they were hiding from the public and not the police.
     
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    Not that you are going to read this, but maybe you would lose some arguments, and learn a thing or two, if you didn't put so many people on "ignore;" and for such trivial things as, in my case, a few uses of the editing tools, to emphasize points in my argument, that you were apparently missing; the argument about the necessity to have fought our Civil War, which, when you tuned out-- supposedly because of your zero tolerance for large, bold, underlined, or italicize script-- you were then losing, to me.
     
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    This is imo a unique case with relatively clear-cut irresponsibility on the part of the parents: regardless of the parents' motivation to buy their kid a 9mm Sig for Christmas. I don't label you. I didn't label you. I referred to another member that has inexplicably in at least one thread mimicked Trump with assertions about real events not in dispute being fake this, that, or the other thing. Nothing to do with you, aside from the extent to which you've done the same thing, which to be honest, in other threads, I think you may have also done on behalf of team Con.....
     
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    What did the parents do thats irresponsible? I have bought my kids guns that I keep locked up and only take out of the safe for them to use with my supervision. They will have them transferred over in their name as soon as they come of age. My parents did the same thing for me.

    These parents did the exact same thing. Are you saying I am not being responsible?
     
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    however let me add that I would never buy a kid a semi auto firearm. My personal belief is that anyone should first prove the ability to use basic gun safety with a bolt, lever action, or single action revolver before ever laying a hand on a semi auto. But, I also wouldn’t approve of a law that required that. I just think that’s good practice.
     
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    Ha!
     
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    I don't normally follow these high profile, ( or any profile cases), but this has peaked my interest a bit. Normally I come from the position that everyone is responsible for their own actions. The are exceptions like the girl that continued to encourage her boyfriend to kill himself. Criminals that hire or encourage others to commit crimes for their gain etc... The idea of providing the instrument to commit a crime seems like a shaky argument whether it is to gift the kid a weapon or simply not securing the weapon properly. Should that be grounds for these charges? I know if you purchase a child a car and they kill someone you are not at fault. If you leave a sharp knife in the block and they take it to school and stab someone you are not a fault. If you leave a bottle of alcohol out and the kid takes it, gets drunk and causes a homicide are you at fault? Even if there is a law that everyone must secure their guns shouldn't the person be charged with a violation of that law. Instead we are charging the parents with the crimes the child has committed.

    I think there are lots of examples of poor parenting and ultimately that may be a major contributor to the child's behavior but can we charge people for being bad parents?
     
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    Yes. I read from a man from her office who I thought was the assistant DA who spoke in the same vein as she. Even the Sheriffs are upset with the prosecutors for their antics because no one was in custody yet.
     
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    also let me add this… because I know a few city slickers on here would think this to be an illegal practice I will provide proof it is not.

    Straight from the ATF

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    I think you're making the same mistake others are making: implying that the context of the text that's been reported was related to the shooting. It wasn't. It's probably not great parenting still, but the mom was NOT saying 'don't get caught shooting your classmates'.

    "Ethan don't do it" also seems unlikely to be regarding the shooting as it was all over and done with at that point. My impression is that the DA is trying hard to sensationalize this to the media. I'm disappointed so many people seem to be buying into it. For all we know, Ethan texted his mom that he was going to kill himself and she was telling him not to.



    Everyone's in custody now, and had been for a few hours when you posted this. More significantly, the boy (singular, not plural, not sure where you got "boys" from), Ethan, has been in custody since a few minutes after the shooting and had not been released from custody and was never "on the run".
     
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    Also, this might be in poor taste but whatever: Can you think of a more perfect last name for this crime than Crumbley? Like, if a Liberal were to think of some shooting spree and a deranged kid, this kind of name would be the first type to come up.
     
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    No, I mean conservatives take back their party instead of letting a small pack of lunatic conspiracy nuts run it into the ground. You guys have elected officials who actually support the imbeciles who crashed the Capitol earlier this year. You have crazed QANON lunatics walking the halls of congress. That’s not normal.

    Sounds like you taught your kids well, spent a lot of time with them and showed them how to act. All around good kids that have respect for people and have respect for weapons. Well done sir!
     
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    No because they said faculty; the principal is an administrator. There is a difference.
     
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    Just who are you talking about?
     
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    You make a good case. But it ignores the Parents love, a teens propensity to draw wicked things, the fear of reality, the fear that thinking or acknowledging something might make it real or that it might set their Son on that path which he may not be on. There's a lot of exculpatory psychology involved in the matter which by leaving out, makes the Parents seem like heartless monsters. And btw, if Parents don't buy their teens their first gun, who will? And the teen didn't share his kill video with his Parents. So they had no way to know that. Neither did the school administrators insist they remove their Son, nor did they think to check his backpack. Hindsight is 20/20.
     
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    I agree up to a point; it's not the faculty's responsibility but instead the administrations responsibility to ensure the students and faculty have a safe place to work in. Didn't the school have a resource officer (aka a deputy sheriff/security officer) on the grounds?? If not perhaps it's high time to consider having one assigned to the school.
     
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    wow, shocked to see the right support going after gun owners
     
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    The shooter. He didn’t have free access to the gun. The parents lawyers have stated it was locked up. To make a claim he had access to the gun is a complete lie (or so the defense says)
     
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    Actually you misspelled the words entertains me
     
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    My guess is your statement is trolling or virtue signaling. If not, it is a very naive statement. I know 4 families who have suffered violent home invasions. All lived in so called good neighborhoods. One was a family member who had a violent intruder kick in his door and attack him with no warning. What you call fear, I call being prepared.

    I could provide many incidents to demonstrate just how wrong your thinking is, but I will just provide the example below of how random and unexpected violence can be. This example happened not all that far from me and served to as a reminder to always be armed. The women in this incident was beaten so badly she will need to wear a colostomy bag and detectives said it was the most brutal beating they had ever seen. She spent months in the hospital and her husband beaten to death because they took and early morning walk. But hey, keep living in your fantasy world that one can be safe by living in a good neighborhood or that you will never be the victim or a violent crime.

    https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/va-man-sentenced-to-life-2009-slaying-assault/1998049/
    The Bennetts were walking on a quiet street in Lansdowne, Virginia, near dawn the morning of March 22, 2009, when two men got out of a white van and approached them, according to court documents filed Monday.

    Roberts, then 20, saw the Bennetts and said, "F--- it. Let's rob them," the documents say.

    He and Darwin Bowman, then 18, got out of the car. A 17-year-old boy, Jaime Ayala, stayed in the car.

    Roberts punched, kicked and stomped on William Bennett, 57, until he died.

    Bowman chased Cynthia Bennett and beat her. Roberts then joined him in beating her, and she was sexually assaulted, the court documents say.

    The trio drove off with William Bennett's wallet, leaving the Bennetts for dead
     
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    If that is the case, I think the media has been giving out very misleading information; or I need to get my hearing checked.

    Now, granted, I had not been following this case, and only heard part of a segment on it, but they were most definitely criticizing the DA, for announcing the charges against the boy before police had taken him into custody, allowing him to disappear. And I very definitely heard them say (this was on MSNBC, w/ Nichol Wallace-- someone else had it turned on) that the kid had disappeared, but the lawyer was saying it was for his own safety, not to run from the police. Likewise, I am certain I heard the part about the parents withdrawing $4000. So, either that's a different case they were talking about, or there are inexplicably wide gaps between the version you've heard or read about, and the one presented on MSNBC. If all those things I heard were wrong, that would be shockingly negligent reporting!

    I am going to look further into it, to see if I can find corroborating sources on any narrative. Could you post the link/links, from which you got your information? Thanks.

    From my first foray, it looks like it
    had been the PARENTS who had been hiding from police:

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cn...ford-high-school-shooting-saturday/index.html


    <SNIP>

    James and Jennifer Crumbley had been charged Friday with four counts of involuntary manslaughter over Tuesday's shooting, and were supposed to attend an arraignment Friday afternoon, authorities said.

    But they missed the Friday arraignment, making them fugitives and setting off a search for them, authorities said.

    Early Saturday, police said they found the couple on the first floor of an industrial or commercial building in Detroit -- some 40 miles south of the Oxford area where they live -- after someone tipped police Friday night that their vehicle was nearby.

    "They appeared to be hiding in the building," Detroit Police Chief James White said during a news conference early Saturday. They were "very distressed" after they were detained, the chief said.

    White said he didn't know the Crumbleys' intentions, but that "this isn't indicative of turning themselves in, hiding in a warehouse."

    <End Snip>

    The main heading of the story, had used the word, "manhunt." Both wikipedia & NPR confirm this version if events. So that part that had been in my original post had been correct, albeit not up to date.

    <SNIP>
    After an hours-long manhunt led to their arrest overnight in Detroit, the parents of the 15-year-old boy accused of fatally shooting four students at a high school in Michigan have pleaded not guilty to involuntary manslaughter charges connected to the deaths.

    At an arraignment Saturday morning, lawyers for Jennifer and James Crumbley denied that the pair had fled law enforcement. Instead, they said, the couple had intended to voluntarily appear for arraignment Saturday — a characterization that Michigan authorities appeared skeptical of.

    "This case is the saddest, most tragic, worst case imaginable. There is absolutely no doubt that our clients were going to turn themselves in, and it was just a matter of logistics," Shannon Smith, a lawyer representing the pair, said during the arraignment.
     
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    Excellent content... thanks.

    The parents are Criminally Negligent in my opinion. What a shitty pair.
     
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