Roe Vs. Wade should be overturned

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  1. Natty Bumpo

    Natty Bumpo Well-Known Member

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    The majority of Americans who support Roe v Wade (most of whom are in favor of reasonable limits such as are in force under Roe v Wade) oppose the usurpation of personal freedom by the radical Statists.

    (An example of an advanced democracy that keeps control out of the hands of the politicians is Canada where, since 1988, abortion has been legal at any stage in a woman’s pregnancy. Canada - free of government intrusion - has an abortion rate that approximates that of the U.S.)
     
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    The antipodal extremists at the Statist end of the spectrum fantasize that a microscopic, mindless amalgam of cells is a person, and demand that government define it as such.

    Again, as demonstrated by Canada's trusting to the moral superiority of the individual most impacted rather than impersonal bureaucracy, "no limits" only means no government-imposed limits.
     
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    There is no rational justification for that limit. It's arbitrary and capricious.

    Next week it will be 10 weeks.

    Then, it will be Texas.

    Women have had the right of personal bodily choice, protected by our constitution, for decades, Assaulting this right isn't acceptable.
     
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    Roe v Wade rests entirely on the issue of viability, it always has.
     
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    It distinguished between a microscopic, mindless amalgam of cells and a person.

    Most Americans recognize such a vital distinction. Some do not.

    Those who do not cannot be allowed to dictate to everyone else, especially to the women to whom they hope to deny their personal decision.

    Trust women to make such decisions for themselves, not your government bureaucrats.
     
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    That would be a libertarian view, an I consider myself libertarian. But it is not the position of the Roe v Wade decision. That decision recognized that the right is not unlimited, the state has an legitimate interest in protecting developing human life at some point in a pregnancy. The point of viability became central to determining that point, and, of course, the point of viability changes with improvements in medical care.

    So, if the Supreme Court doesn’t want to overturn Roe v Wade, as I feel they don’t, then they will find a way to compromise on the issue of viability.
     
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    Pose as a libertarian while supporting far greater intrusion of the State into private, personal decisions, if you wish.

    Most Americans prefer the relative freedom over the authoritarianism, and rather have a woman retain control of her womb to the extent that she does under Roe v Wade that have politicians and bureaucrats seize more of it.
     
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    NO, it does not....pregnancy is STILL 9 months....preemies have special care but a ZEF does NOT grow any faster than they used to....

    viability is still 23-24 weeks.
     
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    Whatever makes you sleep at night.
     
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    I believe Americans should have a right to their bodies that prevents other people telling them what to do to their bodies. I was watching a documentary on North Korea and some forms of punishment for psychological disobedience involves being drugged against your will. It’s very frightening that you could be drugged like Michael Jackson and laying on a cot somewhere unconscious. I think vaccines would fall under the same protection, and obviously pregnancy, because it’s a nine month medical condition and some women require surgery.
     
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    I'm sorry but I don't understand your post.

    1. Our society drugs people in nursing homes constantly so that's already happening.

    2. I don't understand your connection between NK's lunacy and vaccines and pregnancies.
     
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    I am saying that drugging people as a form of punishment should be unconstitutional and illegal in the United States of America. I am making this argument based on the reasoning that Americans should have a right to their bodies and making decisions about their bodies. Other people and courts should not override such individual rights.
     
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    Thanks for the clarification. I agree with you. The problem is *some* Americans don't want their rights encroached upon WHILE trying to encroach on other people's rights. 99% of the issues between the political parties has that one point as the problem.

    ETA: Our society drugs senior citizens in nursing homes.
    Prisons drug inmates to keep them under control.
    Our military tests drugs on our enlisted.
    The AMA even condones drugging children.

    Pharma is big, big business here. They have to keep a steady supply of repeat customers so there is no incentive to actually *fix* the problem.
     
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    FoxHastings said:
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    NO, it does not....pregnancy is STILL 9 months....preemies have special care but a ZEF does NOT grow any faster than they used to....

    viability is still 23-24 weeks.



    :) So you can't refute my post...of course not, it's fact.

    And I have always slept well....facts don't keep me awake..
     

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