Gen. Lee statue can be removed, Virginia Supreme Court rules

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  1. yardmeat

    yardmeat Well-Known Member

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    You are accusing others of deflecting in order to excuse your original deflection. Whataboutism is dishonest trash. I encourage you to find a way to make an honest argument. Since you are going to play make believe and make **** up if I don't appease at least some of your dishonest deflection: slavery bad. Understand?
     
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    I think it’s a reasonable question man. Why are we focused on what happened here nearly 2 centuries ago, when the same damn thing is happening NOW, elsewhere? Why is there not even a PEEP about that?
     
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    Total nonsense. You're just pushing the lost cause ideology.
     
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    yardmeat Well-Known Member

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    If you can show me anyone trying to praise the individuals you are speaking of here in the US and erect statues to them and change our education system to hide their crimes, then we can talk. Meanwhile, why can't you manage even a PEEP about the topic?
     
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    yardmeat Well-Known Member

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    He's proven that, in the very least, he hasn't reviewed the declarations of causes for secession, the Crittenden Compromise, any of the works of the secession commissioners, contemporary southern newspapers, the election of 1860, or the Hamptons Roads Conference.
     
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    Total history you are just pushing leftwing anti-South propaganda. Had the Confederates loss at the first bull run and decided to surrender right then and there and reenter the Union they would have done so with their slavery intact to rejoin the Union slave state.
     
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    FREEDOM of the slaves was NOT the issue that started the war, yes the economics of slavery along side OTHER economic disputes between the North and the South were the issues. It was was their standing as property under the Fugitive Slave Act which Northern states refused to abide by and threats of a slave revolt supported by private interest in the North. As I showed in the declaration of Civil War the US Congress said it was not to end slavery. It was to bring those states back into the Union where slavery was legal and existed.
     
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    Not what I said. I was talking about the causes of secession, which you have, for years, refused to address.

    The only economic issue that appears in the declarations of causes is slavery. There was no other economic cause that wasn't related directly to slavery. And, no, it wasn't tariffs. I'm happy to tear apart that fake argument again if you'd like to raise it.

    <-- Psst, that's all slavery.

    I'm not talking about the cause of the war. I'm talking about the cause of secession and the creation of a new country dedicated, first and foremost, by their own admission, to slavery.

    The South offered to surrender if they were able to keep slavery. Lincoln refused their offer. He tried to negotiate buying their slaves instead and freeing them. The South refused. The war continued.
     
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    The South tried to negotiate just that. The North refused. The total "history" you are pushing is just fringe-right, anti-history propaganda. And the only slave states in the union were ones where slavery was EXTREMELY rare and being explicitly phased out.
     
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    Slavery is the ultimate watching.
     
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    That's not left wing anti south propaganda, but the general accepted version.
    You say that, while the southern states wrote a declarations of causes for secession, and it was all about slavery.
    Ups.
     
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    Slavery is the ultimate cheap labor, even with the "watching."
     
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    Why are you screeching about liberals?

    Statues of racist traitors--Stonewall Jackson, Nathan Bedford Forrest, Jefferson Davis, Robert E. Lee--should be taken down. Give them to any town that wants to put them up.
     
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    Sharecropping works, too.
     
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    Traitors according to who? You? Who do you think you are that you determine that? The ego is amazing.
     
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    They, born as citizens of the united states, fought against the united states. This is totally common knowledge. How is that not being a traitor?

    And typically... your response is a personal attack.
    Your "ego" must be "amazing" too.
     
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    Slavery exist and not rare there were 429,401 slaves in the Union states that did not secede in the 1860 census states that remained Union where it was LEGAL. Which negotiation are you speaking of?

    The history I am citing is the factual history not the propaganda history that many believe these days.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1860_United_States_census
     
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    There were territorial issues to, trade issues and slavery

    So am I in their proper context.

    The South did not offer to surrender and in fact Jefferson left the Hampton conference citing that Lincoln had insisted on a surrender. It was a cease fire conference. And Lincoln was willing to compromise on the slavery issue he was not demanding an end to slavery. But you are talking 1864 not 1861.
     
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    Territorial issues . . . related to slavery. Trade issues . . . related to slavery. It was all about slavery.

    I appreciate you admitting that slavery was the proper context.


    So you admit that you are aware that the South offered this in 1864 . . . while also pretending you don't know that. Cool beans.
     
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    How much of this was say, DC, or Missouri . . . who negotiated an end to slavery before the war was over?
     
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    John Oliver is a ****ing idiot. I see a lot of you must have watched his video....

    I'd give a $100K for the statue if it could be bought.....just to piss off liberals. It would be my free speech, like it or not.

    Newsflash, the Emancipation Proclamation only applied to the South.
     
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    No one objects to private persons having such a statue. Have a ball. And, yes, such statues can often be bought. And the Emancipation Proclamation only applied to the South because it only applied to war contraband. Lincoln understood that he couldn't just abolish slavery through Executive fiat, except in cases of rebellion. Which is what he did. He already had slaves in the North (aka, you know, the United States) covered, however.
     
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    Based on your comment, you know very little about American history.

    How California became a slave state and stayed one for decades after the Civil War
    Indian Slavery Act of 1850

    "Congress admitted California to the United States on Sept. 9, 1850. Much debate had occurred in Congress, particularly the Senate, over whether California should be a free or a slave state. Sen. John C. Calhoun opposed its admission unless it were a slave state; Sen. Daniel Webster successfully argued for its admission as a free state. In the end, California was admitted as a free state.

    But California was not a free state. It was already a slave state. And it remained a slave state for scores of years.

    The Indian Slavery Act remained on the books for nearly a hundred years; it was not repealed until 1937."
    https://www.sfchronicle.com/opinion...-became-a-slave-state-and-stayed-16649499.php


    This is a link to a pdf from Columbia University. Scroll down the pdf and you will see an actual slave auction ad dated Saturday, December 8, 1866, offering a Negro man named Richard Harris for sale as a slave for 6 months. December 8, 1866, was 1 year and 2 days after the 13th Amendment freed the slaves.
    http://blogs.law.columbia.edu/aboli...n-from-the-Chain-Gang-to-the-Penitentiary.pdf

    As I said before, if the State & federal governments wanted to, they could sell their prisoners to you as sales for a specified time period and it would be 100% legal.

    America was founded as a slave nation and it is still one.
     
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    The Wyrd of Gawd Well-Known Member

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    How many slaves do you have on your plantation?

    The 13th Amendment became the law of the land on December 6, 1865, which should be recognized as Black Independence Day.

    Black people became Americans on July 9,1868, about 2 and a half years later.

    So, according to your logic, Black people are still slaves and are not Americans. Does your calendar read 1857?
     
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    Speaking of a slave revolt, There was some minor incidents in Texas before the start of the war and the nitwits wanted to kill all of the slaves in Texas. The big slave owners said "no-way fruitcakes" and they ended up whipping some and hanging a few. There were no free Black people in Texas.
     

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