I believe we now have conclusive proof that Trump caused 1/6

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  1. Aristotle66

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    No.
     
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    Yes

    Do you not understand the notion of plural? A terrorist is an individual. Terrorists would be more than one. You said terrorist, hence you certainly implied just one. If you meant a group of people, the proper way to do so would be to state it as a plural.

    There is nothing here to argue. It is an open and shut case. You said it in a singular form. End of story.
     
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    The conservatives attempt to trivialize January 6th is disgusting. Yes, it was a "political clown show" that got out of hand ... for some; and most of them did NOT go into OUR beloved Capitol. But some planed the attack and, it's looking like, had help from congress to disrupt the normal peaceful transfer of power as laid out in our Constitution. Yes, I classify them as terrorist, seditious, insurrectionists. And, yes, I would classify some of the "rioters" from 2020/Floyd violence as terrorists too, especially the ones, again tRump supporters, that assaulted the Michigan State Capital armed to the teeth.
     
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    Absolutely. Agree.
     
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    Officer Sicknick, was a forty four, otherwise healthy and fit male, died of a stroke. After being assaulted, beaten and bear sprayed and later died of a stroke. Not many healthy forty four year olds die of a stroke. I think its a fair assumption that his death, though technically one of natural causes; stroke, was precipitated by the attack on OUR Capitol.
     
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    Well, they didn't suppress the skank's repulsive Access Hollywood recording, to be sure.

    In fact, the failed casino operator and faded reality-tv entertainer was able to defeat several far more qualified Republicans for the 2016 nomination only because of all the free airtime the media bestowed upon him. His crass shtick equaled ratings.

    After he carried the electoral college vote, did the non-Trumpy mainstream media extoll his fulfillment of his campaign promises to release his tax returns? To build a wall that he'd make Mexico pay for? To immediately repeal 'ObamaCare' and replace it with "something terrific!" that covers "everybody!"? To resurrect coal mining? To revive the steel industry? To restore the manufacturing sector? To rebuild the nation's crumbling infrastructure? To reduce the deficit?

    Some would cut him some slack for all his failures because of the pandemic, but he repeatedly assured everyone that he had that "under control!" and that "everyone's getting better!"

    It was a fitting end when he lost and instigated his goon attack on Congress, and then pleasured himself by watching it on tv for hours - even as his repulsive spawn, among others, was pleading with Meadows, "He's got to condemn this sh!t ASAP! The Capitol Police tweet is not enough!" "I'm pushing it hard. I agree," Meadows responded. "We need an Oval Office address. He has to leave now. It has gone too far and gotten out of hand," Junior railed.

    You are too intelligent and balanced to be contriving feeble excuses.

    Since it has been exposed that even Number One Son was disgusted with the Loser's obstinate impotence as 140 police were being savaged by his goons whom he loves and regards as being very special, why should even the most abject Trumpy lickspittle try?

     
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    Legally, it is still assault with a deadly weapon, intent to murder.
     
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    I don't know about anyone else but I know I do. I feel Trumpers are either abysmally stupid or viciously mean, usually both, That may not be so but is't how I feel.
     
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    Bullshirt, it is felony murder. You CANNOT attack someone, kill him when he tries to stop you and and then claim self-defense. Otherwise there would be no murder ever, anytime
     
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    It is apparent you do not realize that is fake news. Zero evidence of that in the corner said he died of natural causes. He was fine after the riot and even went into the office.
     
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    The "natural cause" was stroke; look it up.
     
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    The medical examiner called it natural causes after suffering a stroke.
     
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    Not from trauma or that would be in the report.
     
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    Phil Waldron, one of the primary conspiracy theorists to push the Big Lie that the 2020 election was stolen, received a subpoena on Thursday from the Jan. 6 Committee. Waldron gained notoriety recently after a PowerPoint presentation surfaced that Waldron had helped to create. The slideshow advanced a theory of how Republican members of Congress could throw out Joe Biden’s electoral votes. That presentation found its way into the hands of then-chief of staff Mark Meadows, the committee has said.

    According to the subpoena, Waldron claimed to have met with Meadows “6-8 times” before the Capitol insurrection. The panel has been examining the PowerPoint as it bears down on Meadows’ role in the insurrection and in promoting the Big Lie.

    The committee released texts this week from various Fox News hosts and members of Congress to Meadows. The Fox News hosts asked Meadows to tell Trump to call off the insurgents who had taken over the Capitol; the members of Congress appeared to be giving Meadows advice on how best to overturn the result and, in one case, apologizing for failing to do so.

    https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/jan-6-committee-phil-waldron-subpoena

    As Roger Stone once said, it's Meadows' "time in the barrel." No wonder he's stonewalling.
     
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    Yes Trump has been on Fox News for interviews quite a few times. But we all know the Left keep trashing Fox as they do Trump and tells people not to watch them. The Left even has a web site called
    1. We watch FOX so you don't have to. - Democratic …
      We watch FOX so you don't have to. Everyone probably knows about this website called ... Izvestia and Pravda and make a decision to figure out the differences between the news in the USSR of the past
    Could that be the reason the Left is completely ignorant of any of the great stuff Trump has done? How much air time has Obama gotten? Trump has Fox and the Left has CNN, MSNBC, CBS, NBC and ABC. What air time Trump would get out of them would be mostly negative, we all know that.
     
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    Does anyone on the Left still remember how Obama was always complaining about Fox pointing out his bad side? Complained all the time and he had only Fox doing it, all the other news stations was kissing up to him.
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    The traditional boogeyman/scapegoat fails when one objectively assesses the Loser's falsehoods, failures, and fake promises, as well as his inability to find the modicum of integrity, decency, and patriotism to graciously concede a lost election. There is no shortage of respectable conservatives disgusted with the Loser's mendacity, pettiness, and personal vendettas.

    The Loser clings to his blatant, self-serving lie that incited his goons to attack Congress, and that lie is a direct assault upon trust in our Democratic system without the divisive distinctions of left, right, or center.
     
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    As I said before, as far as he was concerned it wasn't a lie. He truly believed massive votes were stolen from him from the video put out by the pillow guy. It's only a lie if you know it's untrue but tell it anyway. I think thousands, if not millions who saw that video believed it also.

    I agree with you about Trump's pettiness and vendettas. He trashes everyone who disagrees with him. I also agree that I believe that his words worked up some of his supporters to attack the Capitol. Not that that was his intention, but what did happen.

    Trump filled much of his promises. A hell of a lot more than Obama did. Now he may not of gotten Mexico to pay for the wall, but he got a lot of wall built and rebuilt and that was one of the major things his followers wanted. It is one thing they wouldn't have forgiven him if he didn't.
     
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    Don't care what Conservatives are doing -- and always remember that my arguments against Trump ..and Red in general, are way better than yours.

    Blue is out of control .. blowing this thing way out of proportion - making it way bigger than it is/was - to such extremes that they are throwing out the rule book .. or rather .. Changing the rule book .. and by that I mean the Rule of Law .. principles of Justice .. in a fit of Authoritarianism .. the likes of which we havn't seen since Russiagate :)

    "Terrorists" they were not . Sorry -- this is multiple times way over the Top .. Your desire to label anyone associated with a protest that goes off the rails ... "Terrorist" .. would make every good Facist dictator proud... Putinski is clapping .. Bin Laden is Smiling whilst sitting at the right hand of Allah.. as you cower under the table .. quivering in fear .. begging to give up essential liberty for termporary security .. over a risk of harm that is not quite the level of some massive enemy at our gates .. a risk of harm next to zero in the grande scheme of things .. your kids will not be drafted into the army any time soon to fight this massive risk to our nation.
     
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    How many 44 year old fit and healthy people die of stroke? Ones that spend a day fighting for their lives, getting the hell beat out of them and bear sprayed to ****.
     
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    Plenty.
     
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    Since that never happened guess there were not terrorists. Who was this one person who assaulted 200 cops
     
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    Please don't play games.
     
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    Thank you.. Consider the following:

    If you add up every move, every lawsuit, every corroborational move by senators ( 'objecting' to votes during the congressional vote count which would have initiated an investigation into those states) every call Trump made to State Secretary's of State to delay their certification, or reverse it, it all adds up to one inescapable conclusion, that the grand strategy was to delay the certification past the deadline, and if that would happen, then the vote would automatically go to the house.

    Why is that significant? Because in a house vote, it's one vote per state, and there are 26 red states, and only 24 blue states. A house vote would put Trump back in power. Why was Trump so adamant about this? Why didn't he concede like most presidents would?

    The main reason is that Being president would shield him from his legal jeopardy ( he is under investigation in NY and GA, and no doubt by the DOJ, but they are tight lipped) , and the statute of limitations would run most them out. Not only that, as president, he could exact revenge on his detractors for impeaching him twice, it would make the stain of a one term, twice impeached president, go away, plus end his legal liability.

    There were irregularities. Thing is, all elections have irregularities of one kind or another, so what Trump did was blow it all out of proportion, cast doubt on the integrity of the process with the hope of getting state legislatures to 'audit' ( though most of them did, but it wasn't enough for Trump) and thereby cause delays, all with the above objective in mind of pushing the vote to the house.

    It's always all about Trump, it's not about the country.

    I'll say this about Trump, he's the biggest con man of all time, even Phineas T Barnum would have been proud.
     
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    [Hoosier8, post: 1073135389, member: 57749"]Plenty.[/QUOTE]
    :roll: BULLSHIT!!!!
     

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