Let's put the voter ID fight in pause

I mean... it's still a worthy cause to protect the right of Americans to vote. Even those without a voter ID. But that's not going to actually threaten our democracy. Republicans have lost way more voters to believing Covid anti-science propaganda then democrats will lose because they don't have an ID. That is not going to sway the elections either way any time soon.

The real threat is that the anti-democracy crowd is trying to push for laws that might make a coup like the one Trump failed to accomplish, successful. Most of them based on The Big Lie.

Anti-democracy Republicans are attempting to give state legislatures and governors more power to overturn the will of the people. Non-partisan election officials will be threatened with lawsuits and criminal charges if they don't deliver the election results Republicans want. They are trying to politicize more and more the certification of elections.

So this is the real danger to democracy. And most Republicans think that this is ok because they believe this benefits them. They are deluded. A dictatorship only benefits the ruling oligarchy. The fact that they'll have an R next to their name won't make them ideologues they used to love.

The Republican Party has abandoned all ideology. Right now, their elected officials see ideology as a way to remain in power.

But are Republican followers so naïve that they think that ideology will make the least bit of difference when elections no longer matter?

 

It sounds like you want us to put aside how ridiculous it is to not have to provide voter id

 

Is that what just happened in Virginia, New Jersey, New York, Minneapolis, and Seattle?
Seems all evidence to the contrary.

But you don't have a link for that? I guess its hard to find a link to your own made up claims.

 

I don't think it's ridiculous to require or not require voter ID. It's not going to make a difference in the result of an election either way.

And I can think of several ways to make it mandatory. For example, if we tie it to a Health ID Card. One that would let everybody obtain free basic medical treatment, and which would also be required to vote. In fact, I think that would be great!

But that's not what will do away with our Democracy. Laws that let politicians, and not the people, decide who won the elections is. It's how it works in places like Venezuela and Russia. And Trump attempted that here January 6. It failed back then, but I'm not sure it will fail in the future. And you damn very well be prepared for the day it DOESN'T fail. Because, on that day, what you believe about abortion, guns, government spending.... won't make the least bit of difference given that who you vote for won't matter.

 

Link to Anti-democracy Republicans are attempting to give state legislatures and governors more power to overturn the will of the people?

 

Yeah, waiting on that one myself.

 

I think what he assumes is that trying to make elections secure and actually know what the vote is at the end of election day is being called anti-democracy.

 

I agree based on a lot of past threads

 

It is 100% ridiculous not to require proof of citizenship
What is so hard to grasp about this concept!?

 

Hours after Trump's insurrection, 147 Republicans voted to overturn the elections. Here are their names.
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/01/07/us/elections/electoral-college-biden-objectors.html

147 is not enough. But who's to say that next time there won't be enough. And, at that point, whatever you believe, anything you think the government should or shouldn't do will be irrelevant. Because you, plus all those who agree with you, will have NO power to make any difference whatsoever. You think they'll hesitate to spend whatever amount of your taxes they want in things that are profitable to them? You actually believe they will think twice about limiting any of your freedoms? Including your so-called "right" to own a gun? Once your vote doesn't matter, you don't matter.

So you should support Republicans on guns, on abortion, on opposing science, on teaching religion in schools... anything you want. But NOT on overturning our Democracy. Because you can be sure that, once that's done and over with, they won't have any reason to care if you support them or not. And feigning ignorance about what is going on is not going to do the job.

 

I don't give a crap right now. You are being fooled by the shiny object. There are far more urgent problems. It's not what this thread is about. Read the OP!

 

If it isn’t about voter Id then it should not be in the title
I will not put it aside because it’s important
Try to not make manipulative titles if you want better responses

 

So you like working with half a story huh. Which is why your threads are usually ridden with claims of fake information.

So lets clear the air here.
According to the joint session that took place five years ago, the following House Democrats made objections to NINE states election results:
Alabama, Florida, Georgia, North Carolina, South Carolina, Wisconsin, Mississippi, Michigan, and Wyoming.

• Jim McGovern (D-Mass.) objected to Alabama's votes.
• Jamie Raskin (D-Md.) objected to Florida's votes.
• Pramila Jayapal (D-Wash.) objected to Georgia's votes.
• Raul Grijalva (D-Ariz.) objected to North Carolina's votes.
• Sheila Jackson Lee (D-Texas) objected to the votes from North Carolina in addition to votes from South Carolina and Wisconsin.
• Barbara Lee (D-Calif.) brought up allegations of Russian interference in the election and malfunctioning voting machines when she objected following the announcement of Michigan's votes.
• Maxine Waters (D-Calif) rose and said, "I do not wish to debate. I wish to ask 'Is there one United States senator who will join me in this letter of objection?'" after the announcement of Wyoming's votes.

Then right after the certification, since that didn't work out for them, they started their impeachment process the day Trump took office. Trying to reverse the election with fake claims of Trump working with the Russians to win the election.
THE FIRST BIG LIE

Compared to Republicans for 2020

• Mo Brooks (R-Ala.) objected to Nevada's votes.
• Marjorie Taylor Greene (R-Ga.) objected to Michigan's votes.
• Louie Gohmert (R-Texas) objected to Wisconsin's votes.

Not to mention that Democrats objected to the electoral votes of the last three presidential elections won by Republicans.
But now your all of a sudden outraged?
Hypocrisy noted.

 

Why do we need voter ID?

 

The title says that this is NOT about voter ID. Now that I read it to you, if you have something to say about the real topic, go for it.

 

I'm not talking about objections. I'm talking about a concerted plan to give the government the power to decide who won the election regardless of the will of the people. This is what they tried to do on January 6. They failed, but they are still trying to leave the groundwork to do it again in the future.

If you defend that legislators should do that, then you are contributing to the problem

 

I like that free basic medical care. I am not sure the medical people will like it not getting paid.

 

New York: Voter ID is racist!
Also New York: I'm gonna need to see your proof of vaccination to work!

It is interesting, though, and it shows how little, ironically, the Democrat Party thinks about democracy. You need an ID to smoke, drink, open up a bank account, rent a house, etc., but to utilize the power of the franchise to vote in people who have the power to control our lives through government and shape this country for generations? No, no, no voter ID needed!

 

Voter ID is a waste of time.

If we had it and someone like Trump lost; all they would have to do is claim China dropped off millions of fake voter Id's.

His rubes would believe it.

What then?

 

This thread is not about voter ID. Read the OP!

 

Golem: This thread is not about voter ID.
Also Golem: Republicans have lost way more voters to believing Covid anti-science propaganda then democrats will lose because they don't have an ID
Thread Title: Let's put the voter ID fight in pause

 

Ah, nothing like the power of arguing in absurd hypotheticals.

Well done, sir.

 

If so many people can be so naive, yet believe they are right, shouldn't you question your own beliefs? If they are being fooled by a shiny thing, couldn't that shiny thing be the kettle you are calling black?

 

Lol. Absurd hypothetical? It nearly exactly what is happenning right now. Good grief.

But sure. Don't answer the question.

 

You said, "If we had it and someone like Trump lost; all they would have to do is claim China dropped off millions of fake voter Id's."

You used the word "if" because we have not mandated nationwide voter ID. We don't have anything near it. What we had in the last presidential election was an astronomical implementation of absentee voting, which increases voter fraud. No, instead of implementing voter ID, which would decrease voter fraud, we implemented absentee, which increases voter fraud, on a large scale. We did the opposite of making our elections more secure in the last election. The methods of voter fraud implementation and absentee voting implementation are divergent, not convergent, to each other, in securing voter integrity.