I believe we now have conclusive proof that Trump caused 1/6

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  1. Patricio Da Silva

    Patricio Da Silva Well-Known Member Donor

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    There is absolutely no evidence the integrity of the vote was compromised.

    Trump and his surrogates sued over 60 times.

    You'd think if there was evidence of massive fraud, his lawyers would have brought it to the courts.

    But, they didn't.

    Why not?

    Because there isn't any evidence of massive fraud. Oh, sure, there is an irregularity here, an anomaly there, a discrepancy over there, but nothing on a scale that would prove what Trump was alleging, that Democrats cheated and stole the election.

    There is absolutely no evidence of this, and no one, no lawyer, no politician, no body has come up with it, not even Lindell.

    Think about what you are suggesting: Really think it through.

    The logistical nightmare required for one party to tamper with the national internal voting apparatus, by it's extremely decentralized design, requiring hiring of operatives and installed in place in at least a dozen key states, months in advance, keeping everyone under the radar, think about it, it is well nigh impossible task, which precludes any possibility of a party rigging the election internally. To accomplish it, it would require months of advance planning, the recruitment of both republicans and democrats (because each election district has both working there, many volunteering ) to cooperate in a vast conspiracy to rig the election for a DEMOCRAT. And, to do that, we would expect that they would be able to do it clandestinely, that the observers,both right and left, would be part of the conspiracy, and no one would leak, all with the threat of being caught and being sent to prison. And what is their gain? Not money. Why would anyone participate in an impossible scheme where they would surely get caught? That the beauty of the AMerican system, it's so big, each state with different systems, no one knows for sure ahead of time which of the few states will wind up being the swing states ( out of a dozen or more potential swing states, which is why they will need operatives in all of them, they don't know which ones in advance will be the actual swing states), it is absurd,

    The more we scrutinize what would have to occur in order for a massive rigging to occur, the more absurd the idea becomes

    And is there any evidence of this?

    Absolutely none.

    And, if dems really wanted to cheat, why let the house lose seats? Why allow the Senate stand at 50/50? We didn't have the senate until Georgia, which was a close vote.

    It makes zero sense, what you are suggesting.
     
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    OKaaaayyyyy. :roll:

    I almost stopped reading at "blowing this thing way out of proportion", how can an attack on OUR Capitol ... BY AMERICA'S ... be blown out of proportion? In 254 years it's never, ever been done before. They carried the Confederate Flag through the Rotunda; the Confederate Army didn't do that. What rules are being changed? What "Rule of Law" has been changed or principal of justice (I think if you want to capitalize Justice it would be Principals of Justice, either way in your context I think it's wrong). I don't find authoritarianism or Russiagate funny why are you laughing. Prosecuting people that attacked and assaulted OUR Capitol is not a rule change or a change of any principal of justice I know of; I think it's just a good application of both. I cannot make any correlation to "Russiagate" and January 6th, there's nothing similar about them.

    In a previous post you pointed out that not everyone that went to the Capitol on January 6th was violent and I agreed. I have no "desire" to label anyone associated with the insurrection a "terrorist"; but I have no reluctance in labeling those that were violent, that attacked Capitol and City Police, that ransacked the most beautiful public in the world and wiped their **** on it's walls as terrorists. From there on you've done your best to show that it was way past time for medication. :roll:

    My ... grand kids .., will serve OUR Nation as is our family tradition.
     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You are the one playing games .. suggesting that if police are injured by a large group of protestors - every single one of the protestors ..and those associated with them in any way are terrorists. Would you like to waterboard these folks for information as well .. was we do with "Terrorists" .. or prehaps you would prefer sending them to Assad in Syria for more exciting means of torture.
     
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    As did many there now thrown in a dungeon and abused for having the audacity to protest in the peoples house. Most of which did no damage or hurt anyone.
     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    1) didn't "Laugh" (LOL) - just posted a smile .. so let us not make things up
    2) didn't say there was a similarity between Russiagate and Protest .. better reading comprehension required What I said was that the perversion of the Rules of Justice was similar - Authoritarianism in both cases.
    3) "What rules are being changed" and/or ignored . - the definition of "Terrorism" has been changed - and with that change comes a change in the rules . Rule of Law being ignored - - one person not to be punished for the actions of another... and many other things
    4) your claim that "Only those that were involved in the voilence" were labeled terrorists .. is simply false. Those associated were also labeled as such. and your claim that those involved in violence are necessarily terrorists ( part of a crowd that was pushing against the police -- and injury as a result) - brands nearly all protestors "Domestic Terrorists"

    "I don't want to label everyone terrorists" -- the fact that you don't realize that this is what has been done, crushes your argument .. as if you did . clearly you would think differently .. as evidenced by your claim "No desire to label any in insurrection Terrorists" ..

    OK .. so why then do you go along with those that have been doing this .. opening the door .. setting precedent - for furture repression of free speech - but time change to the Rules.
     
  6. Aleksander Ulyanov

    Aleksander Ulyanov Well-Known Member

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    The stroke was clearly brought on by the attack. Felony murder or the crime does not exist.

    "Well yeh, I did chase the guy down and shoot him but he hit me after I cornered him. It was self-defense"
     
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    No where does the medical examiner say that.
     
  8. Aleksander Ulyanov

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    You're right, The stroke just took place during or around the life-threatening beating by a mob the guy suffered. Pure coincidence, no connection at all
     
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    You would have to watch the video to understand why they believed like they did. It would seem like from the video, most of the cheating came from other nations breaking into the computers and changing votes. Every computer puts out a code and you can trace that code back to it's origin. According to what they were showing, they were able to tell what countries were breaking into what computers in what cities across the country. They were suppose to be able to tell what computers they were able to get into and which ones they were not. They had so called experts explaining how it was done and what countries. or cities were doing it. I really don't think they believed anything was really investigated like it should have been. They wanted to to make sure a real investigation was done. I know it's easy to fluff it off and say no one should have been fooled by that video, but you'd have to watch it to see how convincing it was. I suggest you watch the opening and then watch the last 30-40 min.

    The Absolute Truth Mike Lindell - The Full Documentary - Absolute Truth - ELECTION FRAUD EXPOSED! 2-5-21 (ugetube.com)
     
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    kriman Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I have had friends who had a stroke or heart attack while exercising. Strokes happen. Likely he had a precondition which made him more likely to get a stroke.
     
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    He had the stroke the next day. Not during the riot.

    If you get attacked by some rando and the next day suffer from a stroke they are not charged with murder, or anything else relating to your death. They might be charged with assault for the attack. But not anything associated with the death.
     
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    Clinging and spreading a blatant, self-serving falsehood - despite contriving no credible evidence to support it for over a year now - is either lying or refusing to accept reality. Either bespeaks incompetence if not narcissistic mental derangement.

    Inciting goons with an untruth without any grasp of precisely what such incitement will provoke is irresponsible. Watching what it provoked for hours while ignoring desperate pleas from family and advisers to end it is quite another matter.

    Despite his fake claim that he would lower unemployment, he raised it by two full percentage point - a failure that might be ascribed to the pandemic, but he repeatedly assured everyone that he had that "under control."

    His attempt to institute religious discrimination as a barrier to travel to the U.S. also fizzled.

    None of his major campaign promises (enumerated previously) were fulfilled. Trump's "big, beautiful wall!" along the 1,954 miles of border that he would make Mexico pay for ended up consisting of 49 miles of new barrier funded by the U.S. taxpayer. His failure to achieve his central campaign promise was exploited by Trump cronies fleecing his cult in their We Build the Wall scam, a caper that would not have been possible if he had kept his commitment. (They were indicted for their scheme to defraud hundreds of thousands of hapless dupe by illegally stealing the funds purportedly intended to build the still non-existent big, beautiful wall that Trump had insisted he would make Mexico pay for.)
     
  13. Aleksander Ulyanov

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    Now THAT"S a tough gym. Were your friends beaten by a hostile mob as part of their workout? Yeh, he had a "preexisting condition" that is, he had a generalized fear of being beaten to death by thousands of crazy people. It made his heart race when it appeared it was actually happening and that may have become a stroke. This is a common response among normal humans but Trumpers apparently, see it as part of their daily routine.

    Have you ever been beaten by a mob? Most descriptions have it as a uniquely terrifying experience; quite capable of causing extreme physical reactions in even robustly healthy individuals.
     
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    There is little doubt he had a condition which predisposed him to a stroke. Most people do not have a stroke no matter what they are faced with. I have seen men wet their pants during a mortar/recoiless rifle attack, but none of them had a stroke. Strokes are not a major contribution to death on the battlefield.
     
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    How can I provide evidence of the obvious?

    Maybe you haven't been paying attention? Have you heard Marjorie Taylor Green's reports from visiting the prisoners in the DC Jail?
     
  16. Aleksander Ulyanov

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    So?

    You attack someone with a heart condition and he dies. You should get off because the heart condition actually killed him?
     
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    I never said anyone should get off. However, his death cannot be attributed to the attacker.
     
  18. Aleksander Ulyanov

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    Why can't it?
     
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    Really?? Is that how you want our punishment from now on where it depends on the health condition of the victim, even though the health of the victim is unknown to the assailant. That adds a whole new impossible dimension to law.
     
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    What world of fantasy does that come from? They, at a minimum, broke in to the Capitol when it was closed to the public; which is a federal offense. They had no, legal, business there and no right to be there.

    That's to say nothing of the fact that, even if they were totally peaceful, they had to know they were following a law breaking, violent mob they should not have wanted nothing to do with.

    In short, there is NO justification for any of the January 6th insurrectionists.
     
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    Your posts are becoming desperate, scatter-gun attempts to justify the unjustifiable. I don't care what the insurrectionists are called; neither should you. I care that they are prosecuted fully; and so should you.

    People that jointly committed a crime have always been prosecuted jointly for the crime. Even though not everyone bagged up the money or pulled the trigger the group gets prosecuted as one.

    I hope that they will be prosecuted to the full extent of the law and given the maximum sentence allowed. I hope OUR Capitol is hardened so that nothing like January 6th can happen again. Even though that will surely impact my experience when I visit.
     
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    Lindell's evidence does not stand up to forensic scrutiny. That they do not tell you. The computer expert he hired to back up his claims said that Lindell's proof was baseless.

    https://www.businessinsider.com/mik...ter-fraud-election-expert-south-dakota-2021-8

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/poli...spiracies-are-baseless/ar-AANf2vZ?li=BB141NW3

    The film is bogus, as well.

    https://factcheck.thedispatch.com/p/fact-checking-mike-lindells-absolute

    He is being sued by Dominion for over a billion big ones.

    This will be settled in a court of law, where the 'evidence' is subjected to forensic scrutiny, and, I assure you, Lindell will lose.

    What, you think a firm like Dominion is going to cheat? Computers lay trails, they could be easily found out, and there goes their reputation, and in the election business, reputation is everything. They have already been maligned by Lindell, Fox, and Trump et al and all of them are being sued and Dominion will win.

    Where is the logic?

    See? When you scrutinize it, it's not even logical that Dominion would do this.
     
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    It's courtesy to back up your claims.

    A vacuous allegation is not an argument.

    To make it an argument worthy of debate, you should back up your claim

    Otherwise, your argument is dismissed.

    Don't expect others to do your work for you.
     
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    I think those who were responsible for the attack on the capitol should be prosecuted, as the actual doers of the event were duped. That doesn't get doers off the hook, but the people who instigated it should bear the bigger brunt of prosecution, in my view.
     
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    I absolutely agree. Hopefully the select committee and prosecutinmg attorney's will uncover the evidence that will bring justice on all the planed, aided and guided the attack on OUR Capitol.
     
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