Does anyone know the meaning of "fascism?"

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  1. cabse5

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    Yes. I criticize Trump-hatred. Rather, I'd like to see some critical thinking.:roll:
     
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    Every historian on the planet must have the perspective of progressives, then (which isn't all that open-minded). Seeing as most every other political ideology is to the right of the progressive, a progressive thinks fascists must be strictly from the right and can't be a progressive:roll:...OK, I'll rant on...Using those same type of relative-to-a-progressive parameters as the fashioning of a definition like fascism, the definition for the city of Tijuana, Mexico, for example, must include the phase 'in close proximity' seeing as this is how residents of San Diego, California view Tijuana...You gotta kinda realize that relative definitions aren't valid. Rather, universal definitions are valid.:roll:

    Your fascists must be righties definition for fascists is from the perspective of the progressive and isn't universal nor valid.
    Your fascists must be righties definition for fascist is just one more example of the current conspiracy of wide range disinformation. Read my sig. This is the dawning of the age of disinformation...It's Orwellian...Sing it to the tune of Age Of Aquarius by the 5th Dimension.
     
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    No 'historian' hailing from the lefty establishment wants to admit that large intrusive government characteristic of fascist regimes is a product of left-wing hubris. Kinda like the leftist establishment making the excuse for their legacy of slavery, Jim Crow, Segregation, etc. by claiming the father of the EPA and OSHA and the precursor to the Green New Deal, the Clean Air Act, was a Conservative who stole lefties' sordid history from Democrats and gave it to Republicans.

    Lefties take gaslighting to new levels.
     
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    Wrong on both counts again. But you do show a remarkable consistancy.
     
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    Such us the was the argument against the earth being round...
     
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    Then cite some historians.
     
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    And even if it were a universal definition, they'd still be wrong because Progressives are the 'rightists' of the 21stC. They are the arch conservatives.
     
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    The fact that absentee voting leads to more voter fraud is evidence and cause for concern. Considering that nature, it should never have been implemented on a widescale basis. See, you people want to have your cake and eat it, too: you wanted to implement absentee voting on a widescale, which, logically, would lead to more fraud on a widescale, but you don't want people to make that connection and hence question the results of the election and thus question the legitimacy of Biden's presidency.

    Generally speaking, evidence is not proof; rather, it is an index of a truth. Proof is essentially smoking-gun evidence in which alternative theories cannot be applied. In the scientific method, which is a framework that allows us to comprehend the tapestry of the world, the word "proof" is not a part of its conceptualization; the word "evidence" is very much a part of that conceptualization.

    We need a special counsel investigation into the 2020 election.
     
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    The idea that fascism "comes" from the right is due to the fact that, in their beginnings, they hated communism. But fascism is more a "political tactic" than a political ideology. A tactic based on hate for education, anything that is intellectual, denial of human rights, prejudice against certain ethnic groups or against women, disinformation... Many of these are traits exist also in many left wing countries like Venezuela, Nicaragua... and others. But in the U.S., they are almost exclusively the domain of the right.
     
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    It's interesting that all this talk of democracy failing only came about when the public started pushing back against the technocrats and bureaucrats.

    If that's the marker of failure in democracy, when it conflicts with expert bureaucrats, why have democracy at all?
     
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    Progressives are authoritarian...They're the opposite of conservative. There's more a chance a progressive is fascist than conservative, er, there's no chance a progressive is conservative.
     
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    The last sentence of this post is misinformation.
     
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    a good 10 minute video ........

    The 10 tactics of fascism | Jason Stanley | Big Think - YouTube

    1. not every conservative system is fascist, but fascism is a right wing system

    2. there are forms and degrees of fascism

    3. there can certainly be left wing systems that are authoritarian. that does not make them "fascist."
     
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    How about this 1984 definition from Websters? "A philosophy or governmental system marked by stringent socioeconomic control, a strong central government usually headed by a dictator, and often a belligerently nationalistic policy" Would you accept that as a definition?
     
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    I don't think fascism has to be a control of economy by government.
     
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    If you admit that the rest of the post is not misinformation, the last sentence can't be either. Because, in this country, only the right attacks education, fights against human rights, opposes addressing institutional racism, ... etc
     
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    Now, your whole post is misinformation.
     
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    That's funny. Before you understood that your side espouses fascist tactics, you agreed with the part of my post that described those tactics. Now that I show you that, in this country, you find those ideas ONLY on the right you qualify all of my post as "misinformation"

    Hilarious!
     
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    and you are wrong. did you vote last year?
     
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    Then why didn't the trump loyalists ever bring that up if it's "evidence"? Hmm?

    You are having trouble understanding law and terms of law. If absentee voting is suspect, then what needs to be done is to INVESTIGATE absentee ballots for fraud!

    If absentee ballots are "evidence of fraud", then that means there's not one absentee ballot anywhere that is not fraudulent. Obviously that's bullshit.

    Now stop spreading false nonsense.
     
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    There is a positive correlation between absentee voting and voter fraud: the more absentee votes in an election, the more voter fraud occurs. That's just a fact. Therefore, with this fact in mind, it would make logical sense that if absentee voting is increased on a widespread basis, then voter fraud would increase on a widespread basis. As for investigation, there was not an unfettered investigation into the absentee voting of 2020. Less than two months is an absurd time frame to prove fraud, considering how difficult it is prove that an absentee ballot is fraudulent. (1) One of the reasons why it is hard to identity and why it is fraught with risk is the path of transmission. (2)

    The 2020 presidential election should have been conducted the same as the 2016 election. But it wasn't. Were it conducted the way 2016 was, then I would not be questioning the integrity of it.

    1. https://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10000872396390443864204577621732936167586
    2. https://electionlab.mit.edu/research/voting-mail-and-absentee-voting
     
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    SO FIND THE FRAUD!
     
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    I don't have the means nor the resources to.

    There should be a special counsel investigation into the 2020 election. It should be like the Mueller investigation: funded by the US government, no time table, and it should scrutinize all members of the Biden campaign for any criminality whatsoever.
     
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    Yeah-ok. Right. Yup.

    I guess you don't know that there have been several audits and investigations and every time they either find Biden won by a LARGER margin than originally thought, or they find it was the cleanest, most reliable election in memory. So guess what the Republicans are doing about it..... they are passing laws that will allow them to decertify any election and APPOINT a "winner" of their choice. IOW they are completely wiping out any shred of democracy they can find. Are you OK with that?
     
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    How are they conducting these audits? How do they certify that the absentee ballots and the process in which they are transmitted are not fraudulent?

    As for what Republicans are doing, they are bringing more integrity to elections.
     

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