Marines say they're being 'crushed' over vaccine refusal: 'A political purge'

I Enlisted in 1970 to attend USMAPS (US Military Academy Preparatory School) a year-long Army run school for enlisted folks that want to attend West Point. After completing Basic at Ft Knox, I entered USMAPS and graduated a year later in 1971. USMAPS was located at Ft Belvoir at the time. Later, it moved to Ft Monmouth. It is now located on the grounds of West Point, which I consider a big mistake. I graduated West Point in 1975 and was Commissioned in the Field Artillery. Yes, Lloyd Austin is a classmate of mine.

To my knowledge, I was never inoculated with a non-FDA approved vaccine, except, now that I think about it, possibly the anthrax vaccine I received on my way to Iraq as a civilian contractor. It was never mentioned so I'm not sure. But we never questioned such things since we never had a President order the vaccinations after after abandoning US citizens and allies to terrorists.

 

Getting infected is much better than the vax .. and same idea as all vaxes .. they used to do this with Chicken pox .. but this is not Chicken pox ... and given what it is . .. and what we know .. that would have been rather dumb .. albeit not so dumb with Omicron .. down to the level of a flue, but still .. who wants to get the flue on purpose ?

Risk of harm from the vax is far greater for people in Group A .. than from Omicron. .. so no .. not better off.

False .. not the same effect .. and not better .. and far more risky to take vax over an over ..

Why are you pretending to know what you are talking about .. regardless .. Omicron has managed to defeat the vax

 

Thanks, could you please clarify the years of your active duty service as an officer in the US Army? And, if it’s not too much to ask, might you possibly detail your command assignments during your active duty?

 

You're getting a little personal here but I'll give you my Company grade assignments. Any ulterior motives you might have can't get much out of that. After FA Basic at Sill, I went to Ft Leonard Wood where I was XO and, later, Commander of a Basic Training Company. I actually Commanded multiple companies at the same time as "branch immaterial" BCT was replaced by OSUT and many companies were deactivated and others activated.
I then went to Germany where I was first assigned as the Battalion Adjutant of a Heavy (M110A2) 8" Artillery Battalion. I spent the last two years of that assignment as a firing Battery Commander. (B Btry, 2/5 FA) I returned to CONUS for a fascinating tour fielding MILES simulation systems on Army aircraft worldwide, while conducting Battalion level force-on-force exercises to train operations staff and Commanders how to train with the systems. It was a fascinating tour since MILES was on everything from individual soldiers to tanks to APC's to aircraft to air defense. I had the opportunity to learn all the weapons involved, their use and employment. From there I went to Ft Irwin to continue exploiting the years of training experience. Other assignments included Battalion and Brigade staff, member of an FSE in the Middle East, and more. After retiring I went work with Boeing Helicopters for awhile, a couple of years in Iraq as a contractor, and a lot of time with Lockheed.
Ok... your turn... what did YOU do?

 

lol, it is not riskier to get the vax then it is to get the virus, that is bunk

"Omicron has managed to defeat the vax"

not so sure about that

 

Don't buy into liberalism. Your post is a strawman fallacy. The issue is actually the Marine Corp denial of 100% of requests for a religious exemption and failure to comply with DOD requirements for religious exemptions.

 

I know what it is, but are you saying that refusing the vaccine is insubordination?

 

You think that without the vaccines, we would have no additional death?

 

How does Biden relate to soldiers?

 

Did they face the same risk to smallpox as people do to COVID?

 

You did not answer my question. I asked what years you were active duty and what were your command assignments. Being XO for example is not a command assignment, is it? As best I can tell you held one and only one command assignment of Bravo 2/5 aside from your stint as a training commander. I was trained under the MOSUT program. Never once interacted with an officer during MOSUT's version of BCT/AIT. The reason I inquire about your command assignments goes toward your assertion that "folks in the service have always trusted their leaders." An assertion that I find to be a telling display of your lack of knowledge about our military.

Another ulterior motive is simply that I am specifically interested in what you were doing in 1991 during Operation Desert Storm. The deployment that involved unapproved vaccines equivalent to the ones you’re bitching and moaning about.

I’m not the guy here constantly offering my resume as an implicit assertion of my arguments. I’ve already listed my years of active duty in this thread and I’ve already described what I did during that time. You are welcome to use the XenForo app features to help you review my comments in this thread as well as all other threads. However, I can save you the trouble: I did little more than nothing for 4 years from Nov 83 to Nov 87, courtesy of the DOD's blatant misuse of my service. As I already mentioned in this thread, I delivered pizza for Dominos since the Army saw fit to squander my service by assigning me to the only CONUS Pershing battalion in existence. Highlights of these years included one two month deployment to support a live fire at the Cape and another to simulate SS20s at Camp Mather.

Irrelevant all of it. Military service members do not have the option to refuse a shot. Dirt simple.

 

I had two Commands... A/3/2 at Ft Leonard Wood and B 2/5 in Germany. If you don't consider them both relevant Commands it doesn't matter. DA sure does. If you were given no meaningful jobs or responsibility between 83 to 87, I would suggest that says more about you than Army leadership. You feel misused. In my experience, disgruntled attitudes like that are indicative of disgruntled Soldiers. Perhaps if you had spent more time checking your equipment, working with your fellow Soldiers, studying for advancement and such rather than delivering pizzas, your attitude might be quite different. None of my guys ever delivered pizzas. But I often saw them studying, for either military or civilian education.

The takeover of the American Embassy in Tehran occurred during my Command time in Germany. I went walking through my Gun Park and Motor Pool on a Sunday and found all my guys pulling maintenance, my FDC doing drills, my nuke team practicing assembly of a round and more. All on their own. They were motivated. They cared. And it wasn't just because of Iran. They were like that all the time. None of them ever spent any time delivering pizzas. My guys studied in their spare time. They prepared for promotion boards and inspections. They improved themselves. That attitude made them successful and made my Command time a great experience. They were wonderful folks.

You decided to dedicate yourself to pizza. With that attitude, no wonder you whine and complain about the military and your time in it. No surprise there at all. You misused yourself.

Our attitude is responsible for our success or failure in the Army. Dedication is required. You chose dedication to pizza. So you whine and complain. No surprise there. You are the one that doesn't understand the military. And that's why all you do is whine and complain.

 

Forced Medical Treatment

 

Riskier for who .. Prove your claim .. as I have done

 

Do you think that Biden should be punished?

 

I worked part time at pizza parlors because I was paid crap, but I remember the MaineNG calling many of us up and we trained for months then went nowhere, I heard the weather was warm in Kuwait lol

 

What are they afraid of? They're marines aren't they? Washington made his men take the Small Pox
vaccine. WW2 marines had to take a whole cocktail of drugs. Without all this we would still have Small
Pox killing our kids, Polio putting us in iron lungs for life, malaria decimating our forces and so on.
Just take the vaccine, be a big boy.

 

WTF do you want his social security and mother's maiden name

 

Yes

 

You obviously were about as dedicated as Soldiering as you were to pizzaing... it takes dedication that you simply did not understand. Its not about Maine... or any other state. Its about the the USA and the Constitution.. Kuwait was cool... you cold buy a beer there. Although not like one in Texas. I am sorry you found your military experience so boring and unrewarding. I always felt sorry for Soldiers like you. I concentrated on Soldiers that worked hard, tried hard and did the best they could. They succeeded. They never thought about being pizza drivers.

 

I never said that, but I had kids to feed, and the fact I did 9 and half years active meant nothing, hey I know, I should have let the kids starve. I really found your post bordering on being a know it all who is smug and feeling sorry for me is just plain stupid as you are the one, I feel sorry for, but being limited you will never see it.

 

Most of the Soldiers I knew had kids and fed them, clothed them, educated and raised them well.Millions of Soldiers did. Heck, I had three kids as a Soldier. One is a partner in a NYC law firm today. The other two are medical professionals. the fact that you were unable to care for your children reflects a lot more on your abilities than on the military.
If your kids were on the verge of starving, it shows us much more about your lack of ability than anything about the military. Look in the mirror for the reason for hard times.

 

Care to whine some more? Whaaa.. wahaaa... waaaaa.... LOL... complain... whine... most of us did just fine..

 

prove your claim that it's riskier to get the vaccine then to actually catch the real virus - cause you have not done that

 

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First off .. you are misrepresenting my claim because you don't know what you are talking about. What part of "Group A" do you not understand ?

I did the calculation which proves claim -- where is the error in the calculation given you ?