How big a problem is racism in the USA?

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  1. Le Chef

    Le Chef Banned at members request Donor

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    That is the most misplaced rant I ever read. I'm no liberal, and I didn't say they were stealing anything.
     
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    Who does "you" include?
     
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    What about the buyers who want to live in safe crime free neighborhoods? Should they be denied that information? What's fair about that?
     
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    Black people seem to be most racist
    against anyone Not Black.
    Beating on Asians recently across the nation.

    Meanwhile Al & Jesse remain quiet.


    Moi
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    Moi621 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    @dixon76710

    How do you suppose S.W. Los Angeles
    remains, Black?

    Some areas are nice too.
     
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    How big a problem is racism in the USA?

    Every two years it become a huge problem when the dims need it to be. When not an election year….zzzzzz
     
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    People who use ethnic black names statistically get discriminated on the job market.
    On average black people are paid less for the jobs they do compared to white people.

    People who claim it aint so, or "don't know" ... simply refuse to accept and or never bothered to look ti up.


    That's how America is.
     
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    Interestingly, several studies have found, or suggested, that black people do not get discriminated against so much for being black but rather for appearing to do stereotypically "black" things. That is an employer will be just as likely to hire that black person if he talks, behaves, and dresses exactly like all the other employees and doesn't send off any indicators that confirm to the employer that this person is "black", in all the other ways that don't have to do with just racial appearance.
     
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    I tend to agree with this. All of that "black jive" is acting anyway. If you put them in neutral that crap disappears. If someone comes out of a coma, he doesn't say, "Where I be, bro?" Jive crap is forced on them. Their peers expect them to act that way so they do.
     
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    Most people are ignorant of CRT, as you are, but the right uses it to represent any effort to tell an unattractive version of US history.
    May I repeat, again and again, math tests are not racist but how the student got to the test is a result systematic racism.
     
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    Systemic racism in favor of who? Asians? They're getting top scores above everyone else's.
     
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    Is it?
    To get hired, you first need to be invited over for a talk. Employers in the US have a massive habit of flat out not inviting a person who got an ethnic sounding black name. And it's an easy thing to figure out that it works like that. You send in a couple of ghost resumes to who are rather identical, except the name... and wait for the response.

    And what you claim, is rather equally bad. Get real. Not hired because a black person isn't dressed "white" enough. That's just the shallowest excuse of not so veiled flat out racist behavior. You even seem to sweettalk it.
     
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    CRT would disagree.
    "Standardized tests have become the most effective racist weapon" Kendi
     
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    Only racial disparities that disfavor blacks is considered systemic racism.
     
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    You conveniently leave out context....again.
    "At 100-years-young this year, standardized tests have come to literally embody the American doors of opportunity, admitting and barring people from the highest ranked schools, colleges, graduate schools, professions, and jobs. Standardized tests have become the most effective racist weapon ever devised to objectively degrade Black minds and legally exclude their bodies."
    He doesn't believe the tests themselves are racist, but that their use have been used in a racist manner.
     
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    I should have added, and more power to them (Asians earning top scores). Every person deserves the freedom to be the best individual they can be, without being judged by demographic background.
    Again, racism in whose favor? Jews? South Koreans? Indians? Catholics? This whole systemic racism nonsense is a distraction because the US does have a demographic group that has real issues that should be addressed.
     
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    "But nowhere have I written that the racial gap is racist: The policies and practices causing the racial gap are racist."-Kendi
    I've quoted this before and you don't seem to get it. "CRT" or Kendi don't disagree with me
     
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    Yes, let's address them and systemic racism could be assigned to history.
     
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    I'm an old man and even back in the day, in History class we learned about slavery, the underground rail road, the civil war, and more. We didn't need to label it "systemic racism" which I think is really about saying there is a current problem with the US system. There isn't. EDIT: While imperfect, we don't have a "systemic" problem that explains our current problems. Calling it a "systemic" problem is begging the action that we change the system. We can anticipate, those changes would make things much worse and unjust.
     
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    Of course, racism is not as bad as it was years ago, but that does not mean it does not still exist. So, when a bad cop like Chauvin kills a man, it is going to make headlines. Unlike the daily lynching of black people many years ago. Sure, integration has helped younger generations get along better, but there are many places in this country that are still very segregated and some places where there are hardly any people of color living in the community. On a scale of 1 to 10 where racism was at a 10 in the 1950s, I would say it is at about a 3 today. So, no, it is not as big a problem as it used to be, but we must eradicate all racism. We are getting there.
     
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    Thing is that "not as bad as years ago" is not really something you can measure. Maybe it only seems less bad, since people realize they would get recorded and end up losing their job over it,... and so they keep their racist mind to themselves... but still are rather racist. We saw the thing how Chauvin played out... he had LOADS of supporters. Same with Eric Garner who got executed the same. This started the BLM movement, and you know... you can't dispute that a heck of a lot of people in the US have a big problem the message that black lives must be held to equal standards. There is a massive racist counter movement deliberately trolling around claiming white people lives matter too as if it wasn't the case already. The movement of blue lives matter, is also the same trolling theme of people having a problem that black lives should be held to equal standards, by claiming lives of the polices matter as well as if it wasn't the case already.

    That, and we got statistics how black people are still getting harsher sentences under the same circumstances by judges. The US sentencing commission keeps track of it, but nothing is done. Companies getting a resume with an ethnic black sounding name vs an ethnic white sounding name... it still plays out that systematically the whites are getting invited for the interview far more often. The racism is still all there. Just mostly not in the open.

    All discussions where some black person got dealt with seriously sick brute force by the police, the theme that always comes back is that the black victim is just a criminal anyways. It really is. That specific part of digging up a black person's criminal history is the exact equivalent opinion of that the black life who got killed didn't matter.... and the white person who did that / cop who did that, that life does matters. This is how racism is being played out without using any kind of ethnic reference. Maybe you weren't aware of it.
     
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    All of what you are saying is true. But I will bet that I am a lot older than you and lived through open racism where black people were actually lynched in a town square while everyone watched, and nothing was done. No outrage, no arrest, nothing. Where Jim Crow was legal Black people were not allowed to go to certain schools or have certain jobs. Yes, it is still bad now. BTW, Trevon Martin was the reason BLM was established. That murder and that white man getting away with it brought back memories of Emmitt Till when I was just a young child. And lets not forget Aubrey and the McMichaels who almost got away with hunting down and murdering a black man. Sure, there are still plenty of racist people in this country and systemic racism as well, but it is not as bad as it was.
     
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    Well... going on with them McMichaels. They never took any step away from viewing how they could have possible be in the wrong with what they did. There were 3 of them, of which one used to be a cop. The authorities showed absolutely no interest at all in even arresting those 3 people, until the tape made by the McMichaels themselves showed what they did got published. That says everything about what mentality the authorities have who saw the vid before it got published. While that ex-cop undoubtingly always had that mentality... and with them thoughts he policed around for years and years with nobody giving a rats butt about it.... saying everything about the same local authorities when he worked there.

    And so I really fail to see a difference between that old school 1950's mentality of let's lynch a black person in the town square, and the mentality of those 3 people and local authorities. The case was discussed here, and -how typical- plenty of people flat out saw nothing wrong when seeing the tape.... showing they too still got that 1950's mentality. Indeed you can claim that plenty of people these days in the US do not got that view, but it still remains so that a heck of a lot of people who got raised in the 1950's or got their cultural heritage spoon fed from people out of the 1950's are still right up there. And of the people who think this kind lynching is wrong,...there are still plenty around that group with idea's of let's not hire a black help if we can hire that white person who is just as good. While there are also people around who unconsciously are making those decisions. So I find it weird you think we all went from a 10 to a 3, and we're almost in the clear.
     
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    LOLOLOLOL!!! Yes, it is only when standardized tests are used that CRT considers them to be racist. Sitting on a printed page in a dark closet they are not racist.
     
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    Both disagree.
    "When I See Racial Disparities, I See Racism" Kendi
     

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