France Orders Mosque Closed after 'Unacceptable' Preaching

Islam is a political philosophy masquerading as a religion. It's goal is domination.

I talked to a couple vacationing here in the US from Belgium. They told us that if you are drinking a beer in public a Muslim is apt to come up and slap it from your hand. That's what happens when you let them reach critical mass.


They impose Sharia law wherever they go.

 

One day when the world is a better place, such collective generalisations originating from one anonymous and purposed anecdote will not be used as proof positive of the attitude of millions of people across the world.
I could easily counter such preferred anecdotes with tales of Muslims in the UK going to pubs and enjoying a drink with friends.
and frankly I have never felt any imposition or insistance on Sharia law in the decades I lived in the UK. I have seen Muslim actors, lawyers, doctors, nurses, teachers and company directors.

 

So one anecdote for another huh? I just met these folks the other day I don't see why they'd have any reason to lie about what's going on in their country.

Do you deny that Muslims impose Sharia law in areas where they settle?

 

I didn't use an anecdote. I said I COULD easily counter yours with one that balances yours up. I made no anecdote but did mention what I and millions of other people have experienced. A character in one of the most popular soaps in the UK is a Muslim. Millions of patients have been treated by Muslim health staff from top surgeons to first year nurses...in fact I was operated on in November in France by a Muslim surgeon who comes from Algeria.
Of course Muslims don't IMPOSE sharia law wherever they settle.
First it is impossible in France...a strictly secular country. NO religion "dominates" French law. That is illegal.
In the UK Sharia Law has no power in UK law. It is equivalent to the Jewish Beth Din courts which act as advisors in minor domestic matters and are "trumped" by national law made in Parliament.
In fact there is no country in Europe which is influenced by Sharia Law. Western law is far more influenced by concepts of human rights and equality including ALL people irrespective of race, faith, gender or sexual orientation. NONE are made specifically for any segment of it and none incorporate sharia principles which do not also reflect western principles.
If you know of any, please provide the text.

 

Sorry. The most racist people on the planet stem from Islam. No other significant religion preaches death to others. Entire Islamic countries. And their terrorism effects the world. No other religion compares. And unless you’ve been asleep they try to destroy Israel every day. They tried a few coordinated times and failed. And now if they do anything significant they have the US to deal with.

And serious control any fundamentalist Christians have on the US is long gone. You might have had a case prior to the 60s. There are still a few politicians out there but wide spread control? Nope. Don’t compare tiny offshoots of Christianity and cults to Islam. Did you not see what happened when we pulled out of the ME earlier this year? Nah, not Muslims. Those were Quakers

 

Once more. Because I doubt seriously if you can see past your prejudices.
The most racist people on earth is not verifiable. One could use China as an example. They are tolerating no deviation from the defined norm even to suspected ethnic cleansing. It was within my lifetime that so-called Christians were predominantly racist, even against their own...and there is still a hardcore objection to gypsies, black and Asian people and Jews.
And it was a mere few years ago that US Presidents including Bush Jr. deliberately sought the votes of fundamental Christian sects (which was a sideways way of attracting the black vote). Trump made it a fine art and also wooed Israel in order to attract the powerful Jewish vote. The USA has been overtly using religious groups as political targets for years.
As for attempting to destroy Israel every day, Saudi Arabia, arguably the most radical literal Muslim country, signed a peace deal with Israel in 2020.

http://www.rechargefreedom.com/2020/09/18/205888/

I see no further attempts by any Muslim country to wage war on Israel. Indeed the facts point in the other direction...Israel has interfered with telecommunications across the ME, encouraged the USA to make war on Iran (they chose Iraq instead) and has effectively wiped Palestine off the map. One could make the case for declaring Israel the most racist country on earth. I don't but someone who sees only black and white could.
However those are subjects for another day.

BTW I have to assume you are using the word "racist" in it widest (and most diluted) sense...meaning "different in terms of identity". It might be useful to define what sense of identity you are basing your comparative analysis.

 

"So called Christians".....great, another Christian hater at PF..... you'll fit right in! Christian haters tend to love Islam, giving them a total pass.

 

I want to make it very clear here and now...I have absolutely no religious affiliation and have been a secular humanist for many years. I "hate" no one because of religious definition, unlike your clear preferences, give no one a "clear pass" because of someone's quasi-conspiratorial holy war and I try to avoid such simplistic assumptions based on selected non-contextual extracts and using unsupported "tendancies" as some sensitive observation valuable to any useful conversation and which attempt to put a label on my lapel.
So please do not try to convince using a fragment of my post and make such unfounded assumptions. Instead perhaps you could address the more important specifics of it, preferably with supporting evidence.

 

If I heard you ever say "so called Muslims" I'd be more inclined to believe your post

 

How exactly do you suppose we're supposed to know what someone is going to say before they say it? Are we going all pre-crime on people, or just relying on psychics?

 

They have to get a permit to publicly speak. Or they get charged after the fact.

 

Anybody should be able to say whatever they want in public places, even jihadists saying death to the infidel. Only physical actions should be punished, never speech. Ideas should never be silenced, even if the majority do not agree with them. We either have freedom of speech or we don’t.

 

Sounds like a Leftist wet dream.
To a Leftist, this all makes perfect sense, bringing in millions of muslims, because they do not believe in things like free speech in the first place.

So no problem, "we'll just pass a few more laws and take away a few more freedoms to solve the problem".

 

I mean not really?

 

You don't believe it's a problem because you think the government can just pass another law to solve it, isn't that right?

 

I have no clue what you're trying to do right now and I'm really confused. Are you trying to make a strawman position out of my posts, or are you trying to get at the ideas of prior-restraint, and how they play a delicate balance in promoting free speech, but also keeping things like hate speech out of the public discourse?

 

You do realize there would be absolutely no need for these "hate speech" laws if it weren't for the policies people like you pushed in the first place.

It's like that cartoon "Dime to Retire" (1955).
Porky Pig thinks he's getting a great deal to sleep in a hotel room, almost free, but it's really a scam. He has to keep paying increasing amounts of money to the concierge to solve problems, but each solution only ends up creating a bigger problem.

 

Oh I can't wait to hear this. Go on.

 

Care to tell us why France didn't need all these laws and restrictions on speech before?

 

I would suggest you recognise "so called Christians" when they judge millions of people based on the crazies inherent in any population.

 

I am surprised that you are asking this question since the answer is that terrorists weren't so prevalent before. Obviously. France and every other country has had laws against sedition for centuries.
The first duty of the state is to keep the population safe. The UK faced this decision when that mullah with the hooked hand (forget his name) was openly preaching hatred against the state on the streets and in mosques. Eventually he was deported.

Do you really think that anyone should be allowed to say anything at all times? This is how impressionable young people are brainwashed into joining ideologies that endanger western civilisation. This is why Facebook, Twitter etc. are all banning such hate speech.
Freedom of speech stops when life and liberty are threatened. Obviously.

 

Like liberals judge all conservatives here every single day?

Yeah I'm very familiar with such a thing.

 

Here's another interesting observation about Islam.

Muslims are extremely concerned about minority rights when they are the minority themselves however when they become the majority there are no minority rights

Now tell me that's wrong go ahead tell me.

Here's a great example, in Muslim nations there is a tax known as the " jizyah"

Now should you be so misfortunate as to be a Christian living in a Muslim Nation or in fact any non-muslim in a nation that is ruled by Muslims this is a tax imposed upon you by your Islamic rulers.

Now we are to believe when they immigrate in large numbers to other countries that they do not wish to impose their system upon us?

Well you can believe that horse scat all you want but I know better.

 

Why sure, if you are able to look past the 6 fold increase in rapes due to Muslim rape gangs of primarily poor white women and girls, then things are just hunky dory. One of the benefits of mass Muslim 3rd world immigration to Europe is that the days of comparing European nations to America favorably are numbered. Progressives will deny it with their voices but confirm it by moving from the diversity they claim to love.

Progressive whites are every bit as likely to live in white bubbles as conservatives. They do not now and have not ever lived their proclaimed values. The whites that are most likely to live in diverse communities are the working poor and progressives have long since given up pretending that they give a damn about the working poor. They are about elite virtue signaling, releasing felons, open borders and free gibs for nonworkers now.

 

In fact I challenge any of you who are so keen on Islam and hate on Christianity so much to show me one Christian Nation on the entire planet that levies such a tax on non-christians or anyone else.

I'll just get me a case of Snickers and wait over here cuz I will not be going anywhere for a while