"Jan. 6 was a dangerously close call"

For years now I've watched liberals paint themselves into ideological corners, and then completely shock conservatives by walking all over the paint once it's convenient to do so.

In one year liberals will burn down the white House in an act described as the most patriotic thing ever and conservatives will simply gape in astonishment.

 

Who is Ray Epps? Why hasn't he been arrested and charged.

 

I know who he is, and that's a damned good question.

 

Who here or in public supported the riot and violence that took place and be specific. Remember when leftist were against blue lives matter, they still are. Remember with leftist use violence and anarchy across this country, they still do. Remember when leftist were against the Republic, they still are. See two can play that game.

 

Our country is divided because you still have those on the right making these claims with literally no evidence. Its called the big lie for a reason

We should not delay democracy because someone made up some lies to try to stay in power.

The real issue here is that even thou the system worked, its that it came perilously close to failing. And these plans didn't start taking shape after the election was decided, they were in the works for months BEFORE the election. Think about that for just one minute. Donald Trump and his sycophants were literally trying to subvert democracy to stay in power, no matter what the vote was.

Next time you watch the news and see all these "patriots", just realize that most of them are wearing Trump T-shirts, and waving Trump flags, NOT american flags

 

Pence was quite clear from the get go and unequicial about it. And AGAIN the Democrats have routinely challenge electors in just the same manner.

Now it is the Republicans, and I support their efforts, who want to change and in fact eliminate the outdate and vague Electoral Voting Act so that members of Congress and the VP cannot challenge the certified by the respective states slates of electors. The was the whole basis of the challenge. It is Schumer and the Dems resisting those efforts. Who do YOU support in those efforts?

 

Go read the timelines that are out there.

 

Just when one has heard it al and liberals cannot take hyperbole to a higher level Kamala Harris now compares 1/6 to Pearl Harbor and the destruction of the World Trade Center.

“Certain dates echo throughout history, including dates that instantly remind all who have lived through them where they were and what they were doing when our democracy came under assault. Dates that occupy not only a place in our calendars, but a place in our collective memory. December 7th, 1941. September 11, 2001. And January 6th, 2021.”

 

Some kooky AZ oath keepers.
Maybe he’s in hiding?

 

If Pence had done what Trump pressured him to do, we would have ended up with the election results being reversed. That's worth talking about. To dismiss it is to dismiss our Constitution. But you do you, fam.

 

It is Democrats who want to dismiss the Constitution. See for yourself. Using your preferred search engine search on "Constitution" and "Old White Men."

 

I looked into that a while ago, the first time I heard about it.
The big question is: do YOU know who Ray Epps is? Not the conspiracy theory version, the real version. The conspiracy version is a farce.
I'll bet you don't.

 

Blame the right all you want. Democrats have the power and therefore more ability to heal the division. Instead they use their power to crush the right into the dirt and try to destroy them. You think they are just going to lay down and die in the name of peace? I don't think that's the kind of peace we should be seeking.
They don't have Trump flags. They have Make America Great flags. Save America flags and the red white and blue on their masks, cloths and flags on their trucks. It's the left that condones usa flag burning and the left that does it. I don't want to hear your hypocritical lies about patriotism and flags. Also, supporting your government isn't patriotism. America is of the 'People' for the 'People' and by the 'People'. America is US Americans. You and me. Get on board the train is taking off 2022.

 

Then Trump would still be President and we, the citizens of the USA would not have had to go through all this Old Joe ****! America would be a lot better off with Trump.

 

Usually one sees more libs burning the American flag rather than waving one. I can't help but recall Obama announcing he would not longer wear an American flag pin because he said a lot of people saw it as a symbol of oppression.

 

Not to the degree that Trump and his supporters have. Those anti-democratic extremists make even the worst of the Dems look like the Founding Fathers by comparison.

 

If there were no certified winner of the EC the selection of the President would be made by the HoR which Trump would have likely won.

 

And, @Ronstar , this was explicitly the plan. Try cancelling the votes of specific states and either 1) award Trump the presidency based on the majority of EC votes of the remaining states (the ones that weren't disqualified) or 2) ignore the EC entirely and kick it to the House for a delegate vote.

 

I can't say i disagree, but he didn't and he didn't even hint that he might. The bottom-line key state late changes with the pandemic used as an excuse created this distrust. When hundreds of thousands votes popping up overnight to sway to one side will always lead to hyper partisanship. The swing states especially in dem controlled cities really created doubt. This is exactly why there needs to clearly state standards, let them fight out the rules but they really need to figure out a way to get the totals correct in a much more quickly manner. If we have to wait weeks to find out how a damn metro voted it going to lead to questions for partisans and create this mess. Please don't even act like if it would have gone the Republicans' way the Dems wouldn't have done the same thing. Thank God all the totals came in close enough to correct through audits or this country would be in outrage. Stopping the appearance of allowing potential voter fraud would go a long way. Voter IDs is free and easier than getting Covid vaccination ID's and would eliminate the appearance of illegals or felons potentially voting. If lefties want to require those in Dem areas to eat at a restaurant, then stop crying over voter ID. Stop ballet harvesting or create a better system that passes the muster, me coming in with 5k ballets all with one winner does not pass the muster anywhere in our country.

This is all so simple but these past elections the dems lambasting republicans saying voter IDs were racist, just stop it's a dumb argument. Everything requires an ID so just stop. When you do that dems we immediately believe you want illegal voters voting.

 

Except in his call with Quayle.

Unhinged conspiracy theorists created this distrust.

Among unhinged conspiracy theorists, sure. Those of us paying attention and thinking critically weren't surprised. We even tried warning you guys.

They did exactly that.

They wouldn't have done the same thing. Hell, if ANYONE but Trump had been at the helm, not even the Republicans would have done this.

The same conspiracy theorists are still outraged. They don't care about the facts.

There is no evidence of illegals voting, which would be pretty easy to catch, and in the rare handful of cases of felons voting, that was also easily caught.

None of this will satisfy the conspiracy theorists that are so unhinged that they actually believed Trump. You can't fix that level of emotion-based butthurt.

Illegals aren't voting. Okay, okay, maybe some are. And all five of them should be ashamed. It's not enough to sway the presidential election.

 

Voter ID is simple free and gives at minimum the appearance of legality.
Dem partisans rioted after trump was elected, please don't act like that wouldn't have happened again, it's laughable.
Maybe you think it went smooth and the changes were understandable in Big city swing states, but the rest of the country disagrees with you, it was a nightmare that we had to endure for weeks just to get vote tallies and they all went Dem's way. That in itself seemed very suspicious. There were law suites flying from both sides, get it settled in advance and don't implement something that hasn't even gone through the courts to decide legality. Covid was used as the excuse for changes and hopefully that won't be the case this November.

Hopefully we all agree both sides need to believe in the system, and both need to give a little for the better of the country.

 

I'd love to address the rest, but I have to start here. Please tell me you can tell the difference between being mad about an election and trying to reverse one. NO ONE IN US HISTORY tried to pull what Trump pulled. NO ONE. IN ANY PARTY. How is it that you want to pretend you can't understand that?

 

Please tell me you understand that my premise is that if 100's of votes went to Trump overnight effectively swinging the election, that those same rioters that tore this country up when Trump was elected would have rioted over the massive vote swing. Maybe they all found jesus in 4 years but I doubt it.

 

Have you never followed a previous election? These "swings" are common. They happen every time. It's called COUNTING VOTES. Now will you please answer my previous question?

 

Democrats challenged the EC vote in the Senate several times before.

https://www.dailysignal.com/2021/01...-3-times-to-electoral-college-certifications/

The Dems also tried the "faithless elector" ploy to reverse the 2016 election.

Almost immediately, a large campaign to get electors to become faithless, or to switch their vote from Donald Trump commenced. Celebrities recorded videos, other celebrities offered to pay electors to switch votes, and editorials on eliminating the electoral college or being a faithless elector showed up in major publications (see here, here, here, and here). A petition encouraging electors to elect Hillary Clinton garnered 5 million votes. Electoral voters received deluges of mail and email (including death threats). A previous candidate and Harvard professor, Larry Lessig, predicted at least 20 faithless electors.

https://dqydj.com/how-many-faithless-electors-2016/