British royal family could face its biggest crisis, as civil suit against Prince Andrew looms

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  1. Pixie

    Pixie Well-Known Member

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    LOL.
    The British people have always had the option to erase the Monarchy and become a Republic. They have so far chosen not to do so.
    That could be because of the particular character of Elizabeth which not only is hugely respected around the world but also harks back to what some say were "better days".
    I doubt she could ever say she capitalised on her birth, and while she never had to cope with the lack of resources, has done her best to contribute to the state and to the democracy which creates the state. ie she pays tax, allows and risks film makers to portray her to the public, reads all kinds of bullshit about her family without being able to reply, and never complains (in public). Whenever she appears she is hounded by the press. and if she doesn't, the press makes up stories based on a molecule of truth.
    She has over her life represented the entirety of the UK, not some political or regional part of it. She has tried to maintain the UK as "global" through the Commonwealth which has also voted whether to keep her as Head of State.

    The institution is another question. Historically IMO it would be a shame to lose it. Other countries have a monarchy and it doesn't really damage their social structure.
    Charles has spent a lot of valuable time exploring environmental issues long before anyone else did. He runs a highly profitable estate to the benefit of hundreds of employees. I don't like his issues with Diana but he was more or less forced to marry her...Camilla was already married. Edward and family works full time in their own business and Andrew has been swanning around the worked working as a business consultant/agent/influencer/introducer/investor. William doesn't have time to create and run a business but he works for the country (due to his birth). Harry did try to set up charities (may still have them) and he ran into the same problem Margaret did...she gave up her preferred life for the duty to the Crown and was never really happy again. He OTOH refused to do so and is now being criticised (mostly in the tabloids) for it. Why should he spend his life doing what he sees as useless posturing when he can do something else with it? Damned if you do and damned if you don't.
    I suspect there are times when the Family would love to be voted "out of office" and be normalised. I personally would miss the pageantry. The UK would be far more dull without them.
     
  2. Bush Lawyer

    Bush Lawyer Well-Known Member

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    I have no idea if she was paid off 'not to mention.' That does not natter anyway.

    She was paid money and in exchange she sold her right to sue for whatever happened to her at Epstein's place.
     
  3. Pixie

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    The agreement also said she could never sue another defendant in any case involving Epstein. ie any person she wanted to prove was involved in the child trafficking ring. "Until the end of the world" I think as the phrase.
    This is some serious hush money...and encourages perjury if she keeps her promise.
    I can't see in the spirit of western law, how this contract could be legal.
     
  4. Reality

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    Yes, lets, but lets also hit him in the pocket book with a civil suit because he's not named in the agreement.

    Got to be named to be protected even under the silliest theory. He's not because he didn't want to be criminally charged when the blood money was being paid.
     
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    She sold her right to sue named parties, even assuming the agreement is enforceable which I don't think it is. You can't have a contract with a party that isn't named.
    Andrew is not a named party
     
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    I'll take your deflections for the admissions of my point that they are. No need to protest so much.
     
  7. Bluesguy

    Bluesguy Well-Known Member Donor

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    Again what other people? And yes I have noted this is not the first lawsuit against him after she dropped the first.

    And we have the same happen here with diplomatic immunities but does not apply to this case.
     
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    It's 2 jurors now? Haven't read about a second. They both could do jail time. I don't think Comey's daughter could cover it up the entire prosecution team would know.
     
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    How that was not a question posed on the prospective jurors is insane. It's almost as if they wanted a problem. hmmmmmm.....

    I am more than 50% thinking this was a CIA / Mossad operation to control some powerful, wealthy, and influential people. Maxwell's father was Mossad. No one can tell us where Epstein really got his money prior to the whole set up. I need logic and transparency and when I don't get them, I automatically assume the fix is in.
     
  10. Bluesguy

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    It WAS, it's was a question on the voir dire.

    Prior to being selected, Scotty David — and hundreds of other potential jurors — were asked to truthfully fill out the questionnaire that included these specific questions:

    • Have you or a family member ever supported, lobbied, petitioned, protested, or worked in any other manner for or against any laws, regulations, or organizations relating to sex trafficking, sex crimes against minors, sex abuse, or sexual harassment?
    • Witnesses in this case may testify claiming sexual abuse or sexual assault. Would you have any difficulty assessing the credibility of a witness claiming sexual assault or abuse just like you would any other witness?
    • Have you or a friend or family member ever been the victim of sexual harassment, sexual abuse, or sexual assault? (This includes actual or attempted sexual assault or other unwanted sexual advance, including by a stranger, acquaintance, supervisor, teacher, or family member.)
    • Have you or a friend or family member ever been accused of sexual harassment, sexual abuse, or sexual assault? (This includes both formal accusations in a court of law or informal accusations in a social or work setting of actual or attempted sexual assault or other unwanted sexual advance, including by a stranger, acquaintance, supervisor, teacher, or family member.)

    https://nypost.com/2022/01/06/the-questions-ghislaine-maxwell-jurors-were-asked-about-sex-abuse/

    The first one claiming he just rushed through it and didn't really read the questions......................REALLY. I've been on a couple of juries and those forms and cover letters are quite clear you answer under penalty of perjury. I haven't heard if he was actually questioned during the process.

    I think is Maxwell does have anything to proffer that she hasn't tried by now she'd be beating on the doors of her jail cell screaming "I'LL TELL YOU EVERYTHING". As I have noted there the legal experts I've heard have said would have done so by now and what she had if anything may not have impressed the prosecutors. You would think if she knew anything about this Prince she would have spilled it by now.
     
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    How can a person accept payment to not disclose a crime? This isn't a "we adults had casual sex but I don't want you tell anyone about it" or "Sorry you didn't like that pass I made at you here is some money if you don't tell anyone about it". How could such an agreement every hold up in court.
     
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    Like I've said I don't think it can, but even if it could it would only be enforceable by named parties.
     
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    OK, charge him for the statutory rape and her for violating the NDA. Good luck convincing the court that a minor can be legally bound to an NDA...
     
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    I don't think one would have any standing in court especially to cover up a crime.
     
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    1. She sold her right to sue anybody whom she could have named as a co-defendant to Epstein. That would include anyone like Andrew.
    2. The Agreement has all the necessary elements to constitute an enforceable contract.
    3. If you agree to provide me and my Wife $5.00 worth of lollies each in return for $10.00 I pay you. you and I sign a contract (she does not) and you fail to provide my Wife her lollies, she can rely upon our agreement in an action against you, in the event of my death which prevents me from enforcing that agreement. Your obligation to her for those lollies does not extinguish with my demise. Think this way. Why should you profit that $5.00 merely because I died?

    Also @Pixie
     
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    Minors can't sign contracts though. Neither can adults contractually obligate minors to a contract by signing for them. If the parents signed a NDA, then the parents are on the hook for violating it, not the minor who is unable to enter into contractual binding agreements.
     
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    She was not a minor when she signed.
     
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    Bush Lawyer Well-Known Member

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    Australian legal position as follows:

    https://www.australiancontractlaw.info/law/privity
     
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    If true, then she screwed herself about as bad as the prince screwed her. Unless she can demonstrate having been coerced into signing, she prolly doesn't have a case.

    As an alternative, sometimes justice can be bought. $500K is a lot of money (outside elitist circles). I wonder how much she has left...
     
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    Rather tangential to my point and TBH I am not acquainted with US law.
    However if she signed such an agreement and in the future, some case comes up against one of the assumed defendants, she could find herself committing perjury if she doesn't answer the questions relating to what she knows.
    ISTM illegal to sign away your rights to testify against unnamed persons forever.
     
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    She can testify as much as she likes....she just cannot take/initiate civil action anymore.
     
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    As I said, I am not familiar with US law.
    As a complete outsider, such a law still seems unacceptable.
     
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    She also got her arrows aimed at Alan Dershowitz. Not yet a civil lawsuit like Andrew, but the accusations are there and she took him to court for defamation

    Every citizen of the UK is basically immune for civil cases brought against them in the US.
     
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    It's even worse.
    It's a civil case. And the UK doesn't accept any court rulings in the US on it's UK citizens.
    Andrew can judge on his own if he wants to pay or not. Nobody in the US can make him pay if he looses it all in US courts.
     
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    I thought this was dealt with through the extradition treaty.
     

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