As We Enter Our Own 1776 Moment, Christian Leaders Must Make a Stand

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  1. yabberefugee

    yabberefugee Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I don't follow a path taught to me when I was young. There is no fear involving my decision. Like many, I think I had an idea what hell was like here on earth. I listened to reason. A reason that made so much more sense than any I had heard including the "magic fairy in the sky", and the "dirtnap theory". Never did I ever have anything to lose, but so much more to gain.
    Great Question. If you are talking about the settlement of America, I think it is far more complicated than that. Europeans came to a Continent with "open borders", undefined property rights, and often had to defend themselves and families. Indigenous peoples were constantly at war with each other for the same reasons. A Continent at war finally found a Continent at peace. You may continue now in your attempt to denigrate Christians as well as America.
     
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    Well, unless you picked one of the three abrahamic religions by roshambo it's entirely likely you were talked into yours by someone. Unless you can claim you have never feared going to any version of hell, you certainly can add fear to being a part of your choice. Since there is no evidence of any of the thousands of religions being remotely valid, you have a faith-based decision and if it makes you happy and you don't beat anyone else up over it, that's cool. Bring on Ragnarok.
     
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    yabberefugee Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Nope....you assumed wrong. After a lot of seeking, I questioned some new friends who happened to be Christian as to why their faith. They explained some things I found to be profound, so I went to a library (no internet at the time) and did some research as to where all the books of the Bible originated. Then, with that understanding, I dove into the Bible. My friends advised me to start with the Gospel of John. This is all before I ever attended a church. I have read the whole Bible several times since then plus many topical studies. Just finished the Gospel of John recently and even after forty years I still have new stuff revealed to me. There is a BIG Huge difference in Christianity over all the "thousands of religions" you mention.
    The Gospel of Jesus is about what God has done to reconcile Himself to Mankind. Every other Religion is about what man can do to reach God or gods. That includes the cults that call themselves Christian. As far as hell is concerned.....it really never concerned me. The idea of seeking and finding God's will for me makes it none of my concern. Perhaps there are some that need the prodding of hell to perhaps become "reborn" but I'm not sure how that would work. The love of God is so much more. Still others are just resigned to hell or something as simple as a "dirtnap". I will confess I had a revelation as a child, long before I became a Christian that my soul is eternal. That might have had influence but it was a very private revelation that I did not know how to share.
     
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    Uh, I'm not sure how to explain this but every person ever born thinks they have an eternal soul at some point. You found one that works for you, enjoy.
     
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    yabberefugee Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Well that is sure nice to know! Seems some suppress that notion and live as gods while they are here!
     
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    why wouldn’t someone live as close to how a god would live? There’s no need for any of them, trust yourself.
     
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    If that helps you sleep at night, then think whatever you like. My only request, nee, demand, of you silly religionists with your talking snakes, a flood that never happened, and 4 conflicting biographies of the central character in your novel is to stop insisting on making your religious laws into civil ones. Your long-outdated ideas about matters of personal freedoms, especially your many hang-ups with all things sexual are fine within the walls of your buildings, but not within the walls of Congress nor any State Legislatures. Not only is it rude, disrespectful, and highly inappropriate, it's also Unconstitutional.

    As for the whole 1619 thing, to those who have a beef despite not having been alive at the time, it is with Great Britian, not the United States, which wouldn't exist for another 150 years. So, take it up with Queen Elizabeth, with whom we broke ties generations upon generations upon generations ago.
     
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    I have no sexual hangups.....in fact you can be whatever sex you feel like at any given time!
     
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    Indeed, you should do precisely that, within the confines of efforts at dominionism or attempting to force laws on society simply because your gawd said so. You seem to think that your faith has some monopoly on what it's like to be a good and kind person, but you fail to grasp that christianity is not the first group or religion to come up with simple ideas like "don't kill", and "don't steal, and "be nice to the guy who lives down the block". Most people have an innate grasp on those concepts, and need neither law of man nor deity to figure that out all on their own.

    Furthermore, I have some information to you that none of your books written by goatherders who were so primitive enough they actually believed that a bacterial infection was punishment from a vengeful deity has. You see, I have actually died and seen the other side, albeit it only for a kind of "teaser version" that lasted for but a short time, and I can tell you from first hand knowledge, rather than the centuries long game of telephone that brought you your myths, that it's nothing like what you think it is.

    Of course, you will dismiss me as a raving lunatic, who by these very words is putting my own eternal salvation in jeopardy. Perhaps you'll think I'm being deceived by demons, which was my mother's go-to excuse. Perhaps you'll dismiss me as actually being a demon myself.

    Lastly, the leftist groups for which you express concern, you should be concerned about. But they have nothing to do with religion or deities, and instead of the work of leftist politicians and those who enable them. A President who refuses to defend the country, in multiple ways, government entities who violate federal laws by allowing in people who do not belong, enabling violence by refusing to prosecute it, and more. But none of this is germane to this overall conversation.
     
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    You are a dangerous person to people of faith.....like our forefathers!
     
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    Would you see same-sex marriage banished by law in the US? If so, then you are a dominunist with many sexual hang-ups, for such a thing is rightfully outside the authority of the government's authority. It's also none of your business and harms you not.
     
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    Then you are a fool, for so long as you keep your business within the realms of those who share your mythology, I am of no danger whatsoever. My only expectation is that you mind your business.
     
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    Like put us in concentration camps? I happen to detest your opinion of yourself AND your ideas. You seem very arrogant and wish to assert your ideas on others without response. That is why your thought processes are dangerous!
     
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    I want nothing to do with concentration camps, to the alternative I abhor the very idea. The only thing I wish to do is to prevent your dominionism over the land of the free, within the realm of geopolitics. I have neither the desire nor the power to rise to anything more.

    I do find it interesting that you chose to ignore my first-hand experience, though, as if I hadn't even mentioned it.
     
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    I have heard and read many many accounts of NDE's from around the world. Yours does not shake my faith in the slightest. My faith influences what I believe and you think I should keep it to myself? You just keep barking at the moon!
     
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    we have had 2 catholic presidents, but there has been anti catholic prejudice in the usa since colonial times ....

    Anti-Catholic attitudes were brought to the Thirteen Colonies by Protestant immigrants. Two types of anti-Catholic rhetoric existed in colonial society and they continued to exist into the following centuries. The first type, derived from the theological heritage of the Protestant Reformation and the European wars of religion (16th-18th century), consisted of the biblical Anti-Christ and the Whore of Babylon variety and it dominated anti-Catholic thought until the late seventeenth century. The second type was a secular variety which was partially derived from xenophobic and ethnocentric nativist sentiments and distrust of increasing waves of Catholic immigrants, particularly from Ireland, Italy, Poland, Québec, and Mexico. It usually focused on the pope's control of bishops and priests.[1]

    Anti-Catholicism in the United States - Wikipedia

    evangelical leaders are downplaying this currently (probably due to the abortion issue) but it will be back. most recent examples involve central and south america where american trained death squads target nuns and priests.
     
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    Then, considering the vast, overwhelming majority of them debunk your theology does not move you to realize, or at the very least question, whether or not those theologies are true? You and your ilk run around thinking you have some monopoly on right and wrong, and fearing without a gawd to hand out punishments more cruel and severe than even the vilest of despots throughout history, and that he/she/it is worthy of admiration?? You have been asked on several occasions that if it could be proven, beyond doubt, that your deity does not exist, whether or not you would turn around and use that as an excuse to become evil yourself, but have essentially ignored the question, just as you ignored my personal first-hand experience about what happens after death.

    If you needed brain surgery, who would you trust more? Someone who wrote about hypothetical brain surgery thousands of years ago, or someone who actually did one recently?
     
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    I have read the testimony and witness of many who testify to the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ. You think your testimony carries more weight than that and I should fall on my knees and inquire of you? It just goes to show your high opinion of yourself, and while you refer to me as "ilk" I will again assert that you and your self worship makes you a dangerous man!
     
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    Buddy.....I do not deny there has been an anti-Catholic sentiment in the U;S. The Klan would be just one example. I do believe and know many that there are many of Cathoic persuasion that are part of the Body of Christ, though not all, as in all denominations. Many are in it JUST for the "religion" part. Who am I to judge? Ever read the parable of the "wheat and tares"? Jesus explained it quite well. "To who has ears, let them hear!"
    You do understand that since before Colonial times many were put to death for believing Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit transcends the knowledge of what the Pope would allow us to have. Prejudice works all ways.
     
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    Yeah, I'm dangerous. Sitting here from my hospital bed without the ability to even bathe, clothe, or feed myself. Probably couldn't toss a baseball more than about 10' if I tried.

    As for your "eye-witness testimony", at best it's sketchy. It is hearsay purportedly spoken by people roughly 2,000 years ago, but it wasn't collected nor gathered into ANY sort of recorded "history" until a century had passed, during a time when no records were kept, no media existed, and no technology of any kind. By people who thought illness was a spiritual punishment for "bad behavior".

    I find the testimony you choose to believe to be... curious. Silly, even. No adult would read that book without the "benefit" of brainwashing and find it has credibility. It is nothing more than fiction posing as something of importance.
     
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    Yeah it is sketchy, so sketchy that 11 out of 12 Apostles gave their lives for what they saw and believed. You don't have to do that,. You've got your hospital bed, your internet, and yourself.
     
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    Please. I bet you that 11 out of 12 Branch Dividians would have said the same exact thing about David Koresh, as cultists are known to do. Aside from your religion's novel, is there any independent evidence those 12 people, all with Western names despite having allegedly lived in the Middle East 2 millennia ago, even existed? Have they spoken with you personally to testify that what's written in the book is accurate? And have you run a background check on them, to see if they might have reasons to call their truthfulness into question?
     
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    I'm not going to bother doing a background check on you because you have not undergone persecution for the junk you believe. In fact, a large segment of our population is self-worshippers who are indifferent to the crap you spout. You don't have any belief for which you could be burned at the stake as in Foxes Book of Martyrs. Nero wouldn't have even bothered feeding you to the lions. You don't stand for anything that would get in the way of evil. I'm unimpressed to say the least! Anyone can deny history as it cannot be repeated in a petri dish. The evidence has existed however, for 2000 years in spite of self worshippers trying to rub it out!
     
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    uh, one of many reasons people become unimpressed with any religions is there’s no actual evidence of any of it being real. There is evidence to the contrary of many of these stories, even the ones copied from older religions.
    One cannot pretend someone has no desire to reject “evil” because their religion or lack thereof isn’t the same as yours. No one is trying to wash away history that doesn’t even exist.

    Does going to college count as being persecuted for a belief?
     
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    Can you prove to me Washington crossed the Delaware. Denying history is a sport for morons.
     

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