Taiwan in Trouble!

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  1. Heartburn

    Heartburn Well-Known Member

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    We haven't had any military defeats, we lose in Congress. Unreasonable objectives in ambiguous situation and restrictive rules of engagement combine to make original goals impossible to achieve. We should not put our people in those kinds of situations but we keep electing idiots that think it's a good idea.
     
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    We had clearly not won the war in Afghanistan. The war was ongoing.
    Biden's decision to stay beyond the thaw led to the routing of our forces and total defeat.
     
  3. Ddyad

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    Americans need to stop supporting wars when they know or should know by now that the "idiots" are in command.
     
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    China watched a rag tag group of Afghan villagers send our troops home with their tails between their legs. They know they have nothing to worry about.
     
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    I agree. Perhaps we need to get on with it.
     
  6. Toggle Almendro

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    Aside from occasional spikes where we would lose 26 people in one year, we were losing fewer than 20 people a year there.

    That's not much of an ongoing war.


    Biden ordering us to leave for no reason was neither a route nor a defeat. It was merely a dumb idea.


    Even if that were true, it would not change the fact that four of them were clear military victories, and the other two were clear cases of our politicians abandoning our ally after our military had secured victory.

    But as it happens, the American people did get benefits.

    Saving South Korea made them a friendly democracy that produces stuff for us to buy.

    South Vietnam would have done the same had they not been betrayed and destroyed.

    Saving Kuwait may not have done much for us, but we also stopped Saddam from going into Saudi Arabia and seizing control over much of the world's oil supply. Being able to continue to buy gas for our cars was a benefit.

    Taking down Saddam Hussein allowed us to withdraw troops from Saudi Arabia, which furthered the goal of destroying the people responsible for 9/11.

    Taking over Afghanistan furthered the goal of destroying the people responsible for 9/11.

    Taking down Muammar Gaddafi furthered the goal of destroying the people responsible for Pan Am 103.
     
  7. LangleyMan

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    I doubt seriously we would go to war with China over Taiwan.
     
  8. Toggle Almendro

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    We protect our allies.
     
  9. Pro_Line_FL

    Pro_Line_FL Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Of course not. It would mean WW-3 over a nation who is not serious about defending itself.
     
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  10. LangleyMan

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    Why would you support someone who did such a lousy job of handling almost every aspect of the Presidency?
     
  11. Moi621

    Moi621 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Old Fairy Tale.
     
  12. Toggle Almendro

    Toggle Almendro Well-Known Member

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    That isn't true. Taiwan is quite serious about defending itself.

    We are willing to fight WWIII to defend our allies.


    Not at all. We will protect our allies.
     
  13. LangleyMan

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    Do we?
     
  14. Toggle Almendro

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    Yes.
     
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    BS.

    Stop saying "we" as is you were some kind of spokesperson who decides the lives of hundreds of thousands of Americans.

    There is no way US make that kind of sacrifice for a nation like Taiwan.
     
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    didn't biden just saying, he wont send troop to ukrine if invaded by russia. also afahan was consider ally before taliban take over, yet we withdrawn. there is a huge difference between taking on iraq/afahan vs country like russia/china. oh stealth is good, but its not a silver bullet. going against size of russia/china with top of line air defense, not something easy as iraq/afahan.

    lol taiwan themself wont even willing to fight hard , but ok if you want fight for taiwan go join their army.
     
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    lol what a joke. do you know what most taiwaness belief, they expect US to fight for them. go look at taiwan military budget and their national defense policy etc. its laughable given their next door threaten to invade them. basically they want american to spoil blood for them and rip the reward.
     
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    Lets review:

    Trump lowered my taxes (I was able to buy a jacuzzi!)
    Biden left Americans and allies abandoned in Afghanistan
    Trump actually got SIGNED peace accords in the Middle East.
    Biden makes COVID restriction mandatory for Americans but not for illegal immigrants.
    Trump gave the military its first real pay raise in years.
    Biden seeks to restrict the second Amendment.
    Trump clobbered ISIS (captured their largest city – Mosul and their capital city - Raqqa.
    Biden armed the terrorist Taliban.
    Trump allowed terminal patients to use drugs not fully tested that might offer hope.

    Biden has allowed the opioid disaster to grow and grow by opening the borders.
    Biden killed pipeline jobs and US energy independence.
    Trump got us back in space on US-made rockets.
    Biden got 13 US Soldiers killed at the Kabul airport.
    Trump made us energy-independent.
    Biden opened our border... WIDE OPEN
    Trump supported the 2d amendment
    Biden indoctrinates our kids with racist "Critical Race theory"

    Biden has done nothing to support the police as our cities experience tremendous growth in murder and violence.

    Biden is causing outrageous inflation.

    There was no “supply chain” disaster under Trump as there is under Biden.

    Gas was about a buck and a half cheaper under Trump.

    People weren’t being banned from social media for speaking their minds under Trump.

    Parents counted under Trump. Under Biden (and you, by the way)… they don’t.

    gees... the list is endless
     
  19. Toggle Almendro

    Toggle Almendro Well-Known Member

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    I'm an American so I get to refer to America as "we".

    And we are going to defend Taiwan if they are invaded. Although I do like the idea of deterring the invasion by giving Taiwan a lot more weapons to defend themselves with.
     
  20. Toggle Almendro

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    What Biden will do is keep giving weapons to Ukraine so they can keep defending themselves.

    He will also move heavier ground forces into Poland so they can defend the EU from any aggression.


    I'll agree that that was a shameful betrayal of our ally.

    But keep in mind that by the time China is ready to invade Taiwan, Biden will no longer be president. It's going to be another ten years at least before China is ready to act.


    Any air defense system that is sophisticated enough to threaten a stealth bomber will itself be a priority target that will be quickly destroyed by a volley of stealth cruise missiles.


    Sure they will.


    Taiwan is more than willing to fight against Chinese aggression.
     
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    We agree on something, is the sky falling?
     
  22. AARguy

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    It depends on what you mean by "war". A WWII "fight to the death" type war? I agree. But a limited, "Operation Iraqi Freedom" kind of war? Might happen.
     
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    I have a feeling China would go "all-in" if they want to take Taiwan.
     
  24. s002wjh

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    lol no there are not go read up their defense budget, if taiwan were series they at least spend 4% of their GDP, 10% if they are really series, arm their citizens like we americans, All over 18 join military like israel, fortify its cities/tunnels etc. they didn't do any of that. they just want us to fight them. tell me if someone claim they are your friend with just words, you gonna die for them? pretty naive go join taiwan army if you want to help them
    oh cruise missile are sub sonic, easy target for good air defense network, and that only after you know where the radar are. go read some military tactic books before talking war like some video games.
     
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    No doubt!

    But, a Taiwan with access to Western Economies
    is worth more in Yen, Dollars and sense ! Si? / eh?



    Moi
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    Anti Cold War thinking since the 60's.
    How is trade with Ho Chi Minh city today
    and the value in :flagus: lives, some drafted,
    blood, bone, futures lost for no good reason.
    LORD may George F. Kennan burn in Hell for eternity!
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_F._Kennan





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