How is this countenanced by Repubs?

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  1. RodB

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    Sounds to me like a big giant to-do over nothing, or next to nothing maybe.
     
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    There is no comparison whatsoever between the colonies being ruled by England, a foreign power, and our current government today. Remember "no taxation without representation"? That cannot be said about the country today. We may not have faith in our government and we may feel that our politicians are terrible, but they are OUR politicians that WE elected. And WE can recall them if enough of us feel they should be removed.

    There are those in this country itching for some kind of revolution, thinking in their fervent folly that somehow they're going to build something different and better. These people are morons who live in a fantasy world and think of life in terms of fictional narratives, with their cause of course front-and-center in it's nobility and necessity. Morons.
     
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    I'm sure you are done.

    I see you had to cut out 90% of my post to avoid the issue that's not surprising.

    I wonder where one goes when one is not welcome anymore anywhere ?
     
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    If the Founding Fathers came through a time tunnel and saw the world today, they wouldn't have the context to understand anything that is happening. Only by living in OUR world in OUR time would they be able to reconcile what they see here with what they knew 225 years ago. That's why I don't give a ****, and you shouldn't either, about what they would think should they be rushed 225 years into a future they lack complete context in understanding.
     
  5. Lee Atwater

    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Such is the state of the POT.......when thinly veiled threats of armed violence against political opponents under the guise of false comparisons to tyranny get a shrug of the shoulder.
     
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    The problem is, you omit the beauty of the Federalist papers and the Constitution. The Founding Fathers were smart enough to realize that times would change, circumstances and situations would be different, and technology would evolve.

    Further, they incorporated a mechanism for change right in the document.

    The Founding Fathers and drafters of the Constitution were really intelligent and yes, absolutley, I believe in the document 100%.
     
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    Yeah! Why can't everybody just sit down and accept the ideology of Lee. The atrocity!

    The fact that you come on here daily espousing heavily partisan talking points, and tirelessly working to get people o comply with your agenda, and then be astounded when people won't accept it and will eventually turn to violence to preserve their own agenda....

    How do you not comprehend this?
     
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    I don't question their brilliance in coming up with what they did during the times they lived in. This country owes it's entire history as a country to them.

    But it doesn't mean they'd be any better at navigating and governing our current world than our current politicians. For one thing, they'd be bringing their pro-slavery policies with them through the time tunnel.
     
  9. Aleksander Ulyanov

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    No.
    Nothing you listed even comes close to what was on the DoI, but thanks for playing
     
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    This is simple not correct. Believing in and forming anew a representative government that consists of three co-equal branches of government in a constitutional republic with very specifically limited central government power is not at all dependent on economic advancement or new technologies. The framer knew well the likelihood of their new country falling apart because of political animosity but had no way to assure it didn't happen. They knew full well that technology advancement would occur. They were also predominately strongly against slavery. If they came through a time machine today slavery would be nowhere to be found.
     
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    Anyone who believes the current government hasn't exceeded constitutional bounds by several levels of magnitude isn't paying attention.
     
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    The question was, what issues would the Founding Fathers have with current government actions. Not sure what you're talking about.
     
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    So we're clear, Painter is calling the posting of this treason:

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    Do you agree that posting this is treason?


    This seems fairly ridiculous. On this forum there have been multiple threads about a potential civil war ect..., and there have been many articles (including ones posted here) from fairly mainstream magazines about civil war, including very recently.

    The only thing that I can discern from this is that you guys on the left are about done with the First Amendment and intend to go after political enemies on absurd charges of "treason."
     
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    Funny image shared by King. Some care for democracy you have there wanting to remove the people's representative without cause.
     
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    Read the DoI. Note what are their grievances, compare them to yours. Try not to die of embarrassment.
     
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    Laughter it's a meme in further proof that the left can't meme.

    Also I find it odd. The left routinely accuses everyone else of the things they are guilty of so when they accuse other people of the treason I'm wondering what treason are they up to.
     
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    More people are beaten to death yearly than are killed by rifles. Dead is pretty much dead.
     
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    It does not advocate for civil war in any way shape or form. It just makes fun of those that believe its OK for men calling themselves women to be in women's bathrooms while also fearmongering that there is going to be a civil war. Frankly I've seen this type of meme before. LOOOOOONG before Rep. King came around.
     
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    The type of government they decided to form would be based on the type of world they were forming it in. All of the changes the world has undergone, from cultural to technological, mean that the framers would not come up with the same style of government where they alive today and trying to do it than they did when they were alive. Yes, they were forward thinking in that they tried to anticipate the problems the nation might face down the road, but even that imagination is limited by the knowledge and practices of their time. For example, our two world wars. They never knew anything remotely like that, at all. What the framers came up with was a product of the times they lived in. Put them in a room today after living through today's world and they'll come up with something different.
     
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    "unitary executive"

    standing army;

    war powers act

    corporate welfare

    no sex with slaves

    no slaves

    women vote
     
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    You don't have a clue about ole' Stevo King from Iowa. I know about King from Iowa (I live in Iowa). I'm also aware that the BO Administration clandestinely shipped illegals to Stevo's home district and Stevo has been fighting with people over this ever since. People want to shut King up...Including this original poster.
     
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    As if DC bureaucrats the rest of us like a pack of foreign spies on a daily basis...
     
  23. Lee Atwater

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    What I think is since the era of Trumpery began you folks have been desensitized to behavior coming from public officials that should not be tolerated. Because Trumpery has resulted in outrageous, previously unacceptable acts to become the norm doesn't mean there should be no accountability for them. It's one thing for a MAGA hat wearing crank sitting at the end of a bar spewing idiocy to promote the idea of a civil war as a remedy for political differences and another for a US Rep to do it.
     
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    Lets break these down one by one for you:

    Government spying on it's people = DOI Text "He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harrass our people, and eat out their substance."

    Complete and utter violation of the 10th Amendment = DOI Text "For abolishing the free System of English Laws in a neighbouring Province, establishing therein an Arbitrary government, and enlarging its Boundaries so as to render it at once an example and fit instrument for introducing the same absolute rule into these Colonies:" and "
    He has forbidden his Governors to pass Laws of immediate and pressing importance, unless suspended in their operation till his Assent should be obtained; and when so suspended, he has utterly neglected to attend to them."

    Taxation in about every form imaginable = DOI Text "For imposing Taxes on us without our Consent:"

    A media that is completely biased one way or other = DOI Text "He has combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our constitution, and unacknowledged by our laws; giving his Assent to their Acts of pretended Legislation:"

    The problem here is, the progressive liberal left could be "He" in all these examples. "He" is the kind of England, whose desire for authoritarian centralized control of the states is exactly the same platform the far left continues to implore in every facet of their ideological values.

    Most of these qualms that explained WHY we were declaring our independence then went on to be incorporated into the document the Constitution to ensure that our future did not hold the same follies. Unfortunately, a segment of our population doesn't understand the importance of the Constitution or it's bearing so they are doomed to repeat it.
     
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    How is this countenanced by Repubs?

    Because it is a meaningless and ridiculous opinion?
     

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