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Would police brutality fall if we began charging officers with manslaughter?

Discussion in 'Political Opinions & Beliefs' started by Balto, Dec 17, 2018.

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  1. Maccabee

    Maccabee Well-Known Member

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    Evidence?
     
    Maccabee, Dec 25, 2018
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  2. Maccabee

    Maccabee Well-Known Member

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    How is arresting someone who has a warrant for his arrest a scumbag thing to do? HE HAS A WARRANT FOR HIS ARREST. Every warrant says that any officer who happens upon a person with a warrant SHALL make an arrest. So are you saying that if the guy that I pulled over for a taillight has a warrant for murder, kidnapping, and child rape, I should let him go? Are you serious right now?
     
    Maccabee, Dec 25, 2018
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  3. Maccabee

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    It does matter because those cases set legal precedent.



    It doesn't matter what his intentions are. If I went to cuff him and he throws me to the ground and start throwing punches, I have just cause to use lethal force whether he decided to throw enough punches to escape or to try to finish me off. At the moment he's throwing punches, I have the right to use lethal force.
     
    Maccabee, Dec 25, 2018
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  4. fifthofnovember

    fifthofnovember Well-Known Member

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    So you think that a cop arresting someone with a legal arrest warrant is somehow in the wrong? This has to be the the weakest case for police wrongdoing that I've ever heard. So, do you think that arrest warrants should never be acted upon? Or should people with warrants only be arrested if they stay in obvious places like their home or workplace, but be immune if they're out driving? Pro tip: if you know you have a warrant, make sure your lights work. Pro tip #2: don't commit crimes.

    And what if that warrant was issued because the person committed a crime (gasp! Unthinkable, right?), and there is a victim of that crime? If you think the victim should just get bent and not receive justice because the perpetrator wasn't apprehended during the act itself, but found later, that is pure scumbag thinking right there.
     
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    fifthofnovember, Dec 25, 2018
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  5. rahl

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    No, it doesn’t matter.




    [QUITE]It doesn't matter what his intentions are.[/QUOTE]
    It’s the determining factor for use of force.

    No, you don’t.
     
    rahl, Dec 25, 2018
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  6. Maccabee

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    Nope. Ability, opportunity, and jeapordy is the determining factor for lethal force.

    http://www.secondcalldefense.org/ability-opportunity-jeopardy




    Why should I take your word for it? You haven't presented any legal source or your personal experience to go by.
     
    Maccabee, Dec 25, 2018
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  7. rahl

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    No, intention is.





    I don’t really care what you take or not. Using lethal force to stop a fleeing suspect, or an unarmed suspect is manslaughter.
     
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    Generally that would be true. However, if the suspect is likely to harm someone, it becomes much more problematic.

    This whole police brutality subject is over blown. It rarely happens, but it is widely publicized when it does happen. About one thousand people are killed by the police each year. There are around ten million police to civilian encounters per year. That translates to one death per ten thousand encounters. A black man is about ten times as likely to be killed by another black man as by the police. By far, most of the deaths occur after the suspect disobeys the police.

    Showing a video of law enforcement killing someone borders on useless. You rarely see the whole picture and it ranks very low on how a person is apt to die to get killed.

    We talk about more training of the police. We would be better served by teaching young people to respect the police.
     
    kriman, Dec 25, 2018
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  9. Maccabee

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    Evidence? How can I tell whether the 300 lb weightlifter tossing me around like a rag doll wants to finish me off or just run away?





    Actually no it isn't on both counts depending of the circumstances. You can shoot a prisoner attempting escape and an armed or dangerous suspect who is running. You can shoot an unarmed suspect if you have reason to believe he's an imminent lethal threat. A 300 lb weightlifter tossing me around like a rag doll is an imminent lethal threat. You saying otherwuse doesn't make it correct. You need legal cases and law to back up your claim
     
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    Right. So shooting an unarmed suspect, who is fleeing, is manslaughter.
     
    rahl, Dec 25, 2018
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    He would have to be charged and convicted before it is manslaughter.
     
    kriman, Dec 25, 2018
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    Maccabee, Dec 25, 2018
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    Worth repeating till they get it. Nice post.
     
    Injeun, Dec 25, 2018
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    Do prosecutors truly not care about Black lives:
     
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    Disturbing:
     
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    They care about ALL lives, not some slogan for simpletons.
     
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    Will this help:
     
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    Were the protesters completely innocent:
     
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    He didn't express any political opinions as part of his job:
     
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    They have these things called body cams
    Amazing invention
     
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