Can I Call HCGW Deniers Idiots?

I should be able to. Because I think they're worse than that. But before I put the final nail in their coffin, consider this. What if there actually was no human caused global warming. But we did something about it anyway. What is the worst that can happen. We live more equitably with the environment. But what if it is a reality (and it is) and we did nothing about it. What is the worst that can happen? We destroy ourselves and most of the rest of life on Earth!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Next, nothing I say to the deniers seems to work. It is like they follow some sort of cult. Well I can smash that. I will show you time lapsed satellite images showing human caused global warming in progress. In this, I am reminded of the song by Judas Priest called "Electric Eye." And the lyric in it, "My tearless retina takes pictures that can prove." Do watch it and with the best insanity you can muster, deny away.

 

Would global warming be happening if humans weren't around to document it? Think about it, kind of like the tree falling in a forest making a sound.

 

No. It wouldn't be happening if there were no humans around. Because humans are causing it.

 

You may want to pause and consider the views of Professor Nir Shaviv, Chairman of the Racah Center for Physics at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem and IBM Einstein Fellow at the Institute for Advanced Study.

How Climate Change Pseudoscience Became Publicly Accepted

Climate debate at the Cambridge Union - a 10 minute summary of the main problems with the standard alarmist polemic

 

Smashing cults...? Hmmm....things that make you go hmmm...

 

So what exactly are you saying. That the images the satellite took are wrong? Or are you one of those deniers who say that global warming has nothing to do with humans. That it is a natural ongoing process. If that is what you're getting at, you people are like a water balloon. You squeeze them in one area and they just puff out in another. Make your point. So I can crush it.

 

Evidence for warming is not evidence of what caused the warming. It is Shaviv's view, which I share, that human activity has caused only about half the warming in the 20th and 21st centuries. The rest is solar derived. The upshot is that climate sensitivity is quite low and we will achieve the Paris temperature target for 2100 without changing much at all.

 

Can I Call HCGW Deniers Idiots?​

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Let's all sign a suicide pact and save the planet, lol!

 

In my thread "Human Caused Global Warming," I gave plenty of evidence that global warming is caused by humans. All of it by the way. If not for humans, from what I hear, we would actually be heading toward another ice age. If you want to discuss that aspect of it, I suggest you go there. If it isn't closed down to further debate.

 

Actually, you gave no evidence at all for causation. Again from Professor Shaviv, including a link to a peer-reviewed paper:

". . . . it is possible to actually model the climate system while including the heat capacity, namely diffusion of heat into and out of the oceans, and include the solar and anthropogenic forcings and find out that by introducing the solar forcing, one can get a much better fit to the 20th century warming, in which the climate sensitivity is much smaller. (Typically 1°C per CO2 doubling compared with the IPCC's canonical range of 1.5 to 4.5°C per CO2 doubling).

You can read about it here: Ziskin, S. & Shaviv, N. J., Quantifying the role of solar radiative forcing over the 20th century, Advances in Space Research 50 (2012) 762–776."

 

From what I have seen, most people have already signed a suicide pact by not wanting to do anything about HCGW. As well as in many other areas. Most people would rather see doomsday than do anything to prevent it. Most people don't really care what happens. As long as it happens to someone else. Most people would rather be wrong than be told why they are wrong. In that, I am reminded of something Samuel Clemens once said. He said, "It is easier to fool people than it is to convince them that they've been fooled." He also said something else interesting, He said, "It isn't what you don't know that gets you into trouble. It's what you know for sure that just isn't so."

 

I don't need to read any denier BS. I can SEE! Look at the satellite images and see for yourself. If that isn't enough, each year all the volcanoes on Earth release around 200 million tons of CO2 into the biosphere. Each year the activities of humans are responsible for the release of around 32.3 BILLION tons of CO2. EACH YEAR! Do you think professor Shoveit understands the words "adds up." Also, methane release is rising also. And in a 20 year time span it is around 86 times more potent of a greenhouse gas than CO2. I will show you a graph showing methane release. Surprisingly, despite melting tundra, melting methane hydrate ice in the ocean, etc, humans are responsible for around 60% of what is shown. Earlier you spoke of the year 2100. Because of the exponential nature of HCGW, it will be a miracle if there are any humans around in the year 2050.

 

None of which is relevant to the point I made. You actually need to read the material.

 

What actual steps would stop Doomsday?

 

Most people choose to live in moderate climates and aren't stressed by HCGW. They live their lives happily ever after never realizing the climate doom hanging over their heads.

 

What I said is true. What else matters. From what I have seen, the more people have to say, they are just trying to obscure the facts. In that, I am reminded of what government agencies do when they don't want to solve some problem. They say, "The issue needs more study." Or crap along those lines. Also, are you like others at this forum and think that I'm too insulting? I have been banned at other forums probably at least around 70 times for trying to speak the truth. Would you expect my attitude to be any different?

 

For that and many other problems, just think what you're not allowed to think. Or what you're programmed not to think. Therein lies the solutions.

 

I'm allowed to think quite a lot, but you apparently can't think of a single solution to stop Doomsday.

 

Yeah. They don't realize it and don't want to hear about it. I am reminded of what they called "the three wise monkeys" in 17th century Japan. But to me, there is nothing wise about it.

 

I know the solutions. I'm just not allowed to speak of them here.

 

OK, well keep them to yourself then.

 

I'm uninterested in your attitude. What I have concluded is that you have not made an argument.

 

~ Get rid of all politics and politicians. We can figure out the rest together.

~ I think you are correct.

 

Or......... You could go to where they can be spoken. And discussed. But though I've offered many times, I've never had anybody take me up on that. They prefer ignorance.