Patriotism

How can you possibly be puzzled? Are you able to name a single plank of the republican platform that isn't 'making trump king' did you miss every second of footage of last jan 6? Did you miss every action the trump administration took before and after they lost?

Look, I get that you sunk yourself into right wing propaganda. That is an indictment of your character. But, it is all there to see.

 

Are you American, or are you just spouting off from someplace else? Because it doesn’t sound like you understand American history or American politics.

 

Ok buddy. You could never back that up if your life depended on it. I mean, foreign trolling exists, but it's almost entirely right wing.

 

Here's the thing: I don't know anything about people, but I think part of you, some tiny piece wants to actually be loyal to your country. Am I wrong?

 

Sorry, you’re wrong again.

 

I’m already 100% loyal to my country, America.

 

No, you're not.I mean it's super obvious that you are not. But, I feel like there's a tiny part of you that regrets that. There's a tiny part of you that wants your country to succeed.

 

I don't know what you mean by "adequately presented".

MANY have been adjudicated in court.

Some have been examined and simply found to be wrong.

What the heck is it that you REALLY want???

So far, the "no fraud" direction of the Republican party has been on making it harder to vote for citizens with different ideas. It's been a partisan assault on democracy, NOT an effort toward fraud free equality.

There really has been NO focus on methods of voting that are equal to all and are essentially impossible to cheat.

In fact, Trump and Republicans have put in great effort to pitch vote-by-mail as inherently fraudulent when that is absolutely FALSE.

The fact of the matter is that vote by mail is FAR less fraudulent than polling place voting. Plus, every state has a vote by mail system that the state trusts.

On the other hand, polling place elections can be manipulated by those in power in a number of ways that are systematic and clearly do affect outcomes.

And, that is the way Republicans DEMAND that we use!!!

 

The delusion seems universal. You don't ask or look, you simply take what they tell you for granted- and you are oh, so wrong. Your comments are not only offensive, they are crap.

Personally, I do what I believe is right by the values I hold- and that is that I do not attempt to control others and I deal honestly with others- usually just by-passing the trouble makers and confused radicals. ONLY when they make themselves a nuisance do they hear from me. I'm conservative my MY standards. Nobody tells me what they must be and gets any traction. So- you have no idea what you are talking about. CNN addict?? Sounds like it.

 

I don't think I could possibly disagree with you more.

Particularly number two.

Democracy is one of the worst evils the world has ever known. It was only when I was beaten down shackled and subjugated by a constitution that it ever functioned as anything but a tyranny.

When people have a voice the majority votes to exterminate the minority.

It's for the Trump wailing I've heard everything you said from thousands of other people just like you it's not new it's not worth addressing other than to see how meaningless and pointless it is.

 

No you don't. No you aren't. You will do absolutely ANYthing that your elites tell you to do. That is why you are ok with selling your country to them for nothing.

 

You may be too emotional and consumed to have this discussion with. None of that addresses what I said. I do not agree that Biden is incompetent.

 

It is he who is puzzled.

 

I agree with you that democracy and the rule of law are among the highest values that mankind has ever created. And America is the stronghold of these values.

Dictator-wannabe DJT was the latest threat to your homeland. I congratulate you very much on averting this threat. Keep on going on!

 

My country right or wrong has never been a credible position.
and personal freedoms guaranteed by just about every international body allows you to disagree profoundly with your country. In that case the guarantees also allow you to move somewhere else (unless you live in a prison state like North Korea).

Would I pledge allegiance to a country I chose to live in? Of course. Because I chose it.
Would I pledge such a loyalty to one I didn't choose to live in but just happened to be in? Not necessarily.
Would I fight to protect my country? Depends on who the "other side" is. Conscientious objectors are not legal and recognised without moral criticism.

I don't necessarily support flag waving, pledges of allegiance (which I consider propaganda from an early age), standing for a national leader when s/he walks into a room, or any element that symbolises "patriotism".
OTOH when my country stands for or does things I consider the right thing to do, I am pleased to be a part of it.

 

Complete and utter bull crap. You want incontrovertible proof (as opposed to partisan wishful dreaming)? How about a Democrat candidate for president campaigning openly on ending America as we know it.

 

Where do you come up with this right-wing overlords crap? NO such thing exists. Conservatives may have complimentary opinions- because we agree on most fundamental values. The left however, seems to agree on crazy crap that rational people would never agree on- and that indicates a master, telling the drones what to think.

Everything the left wants depends on some way on doing something to others. Imposing restrictions they don't want taxing them to pay for give-aways, sacrificing liberty for false promises of security, sacrificing price and self respect for some phony social scheme which is actually a power grab. Honorable people reject all those things. WHY don't you?

 

Where is it written that one is entitled to have someone else pay for their healthcare expenses from cradle to grave?

It is written in the canons of every advanced society. One should have to prosper, out of proportion to the clunker driver, in order to drive a new Mercedes sports car rather than a 25 year old Nash Rambler. Health should NOT be a symbol of success, although most equate it to be such. Compare the service that you receive from Medicare to that from a private, Rodeo Drive physician. This can always be subject to debate, but put your young child in the place of the destitute. You’ve just started your family, with 2 under 4. You've just started your own business, and the potential is enormous, but currently is pretty tapped from his start-up expenses. At that moment in time your wife is is an accident with your children. She suffers severe TBI, in all likelihood rendering her incapable of even the most basic of human activities, one of your children is permanently and completely paralyzed from the neck down, and the other has passed. Due to their economic condition at the time, the best they can hope for is to qualify for MediCare. How do your opinions and positions vary from the day before the accident? Can your remaining child and loving wife get the level of care that is offered at B Hills? Don’t even attempt to persuade me that they would. Every moment of the rest of your life is spent praying for healing from those you know can’t, and vainly attempting to find somewhere, anywhere or anyone, that can help those, who are the sun your life revolves around, to have an active life and once again be the person that was lost in a millisecond of driving error. No.....the best.....even the average is denied to you. A “celebrity”, a sports figure, a tycoon are begged for by the elite hospitals for name-arresting attention, but your wife and child are denied all but the most rudimentary of care. Does the world still seem balanced and just in it’s appropriation of resources? Do you feel the refreshing breeze of equity? Try to consider what you would do with your family in this situation, and how you would thereinafter consider the “beauty" inherent in a “free market” and capitalism.

 

If you have gone through life either not needing important health care or finding it easy to pay for because Daddy and Mommy left you a bundle, or you won a lottery or you are one of the very few who had a really good job, possibly because you went to the right schools or knew the right people, you were bloody lucky.

The issue IMO is not defining your political ideology by objection to helping others, but by the fact that in a proper health system, national care is EVERYONE's privilege.
If you choose to pay privately, that is a choice.

How can a country dedicated to equality not consider health care a fundamental benefit of that equality?

 

IF you are a responsible person, you manage your life by not having children you are unprepared to care for; by managing and protecting your health, by seeking the best education, all taking responsibility for YOU.

You have the same equipment I have- a body, a brain, a capacity. IF you fail to use yours wisely- that is your choice. Choices are cumulative, both bad ones and good ones. Poverty and desperation are usually the sum total of a steady stream of bad decisions- every one of them a lesson trying to illustrate you aren't paying attention.

No matter what you do or give to such people, they will not learn and benefit from it, because these subsidies and tolerances weaken that message- and they are eager to believe that the message isn't true, and the rest of the world owes them happiness and success no matter what they do. So such aid, which may be desperately needed, insures that the situation for them will either stay the same, or get worse. And you can thank yourself for that.

Yes, people do these things. That's true in nature too- but in nature, millions of species have thrived for millions of years because each accepted the responsibility we refused. What's more, they did that without governments, medicine, lawyers, religions and all the structures we create trying to save ourselves from ourselves, while we drag all our failures along with us. They didn't pollute the earth, use up it's natural resources either. Seems that the only living animal on planet earth that can't figure our how life works- is us. Or at least, a good many of us. We are the most deadly thing to ever inhabit the planet, and the one most likely to be responsible for our own extinction. Because- we ignore what nature has been proving for a million years.... we just know we're smarter!

Free market capitalism provides stability in prices, wide range of products and goods and a host of things that make life and success easier. While it's not perfect- it's a lot more perfect than any of the alternatives.

 

Bwaa hahahaha... It is to laugh...

Can you please give some concrete and real examples about number three not just emotion-laden opinion ?

 

any idiot can see that the United States is actually a federal republic. Also any idiot can see that democracy is nothing more than two wolves and a lamb voting on what's for dinner.

 

Might be- because he thinks they are opposing his views, which say that opposing his views constitutes killing the country, because others are not entitled to views....

 

Very nice.
Now tell that to the ten of thousands of British people who lived through government designed austerity which affected almost every part of the economy, stunted opportunity but allowed property prices to skyrocket, and who are now hit with Covid, SME's going under, taxes going up (again a government decision), and energy costs are going up.

People need help. They have paid their taxes and now need support. The idea that all potential can be filled at all times is fairytale from the minds of those who have never had to struggle.