Do you have answers or is it fair for me to assume you do not know how to answer them without exposing your premises as the lies that they are?
You say I said you said things you didn't BUT right there is YOU saying ""Nobody should ever have rights over someone else's body."" Are you denying you posted that ?!!!!! YOU posted : ""Polydectes said: ↑ What? I don't I just don't think someone has the right to autonomy over someone else's body"""" And I asked you a question ...does that "someone" include fetuses ?? You never answered. Now you are denying you posted that ??
Ritter said: ↑ No, I need to hear it from you; is a miscarriage manslaughter? If not, why? Doesn't the fetus have rights? Think about that for a moment....you just agreed the fetus has no rights...(see underlined above)
FoxHastings said: ↑ You say I said you said things you didn't BUT right there is YOU saying ""Nobody should ever have rights over someone else's body."" Are you denying you posted that ?!!!!! YOU posted : ""Polydectes said: ↑ What? I don't I just don't think someone has the right to autonomy over someone else's body"""" And I asked you a question ...does that "someone" include fetuses ?? You never answered. Now you are denying you posted that ?? Asking if you are denying you posted something under your ID is confusing for you ??? In your quest to dodge the obvious you give me opportunity to repost my post
If I'm trying to dodge I'm doing the worst possible job editing I could imagine I read your unhinged posts and try to make sense out of them and they're disjointed rantings and I can't. Make a post like a normal person then maybe I could understand it.
Okay. I don't ever recall once saying it did but seems like you're working in your own world where I say things I didn't say so more power to you I guess.
I showed PROOF of what you said.... denying it won't change it. WHAT did I say you said that you didn't say ? WHAT? SHOW proof....I showed proof...YOU haven't.
FoxHastings said: ↑ I showed PROOF of what you said.... denying it won't change it. WHAT did I say you said that you didn't say ? WHAT? SHOW proof....I showed proof...YOU haven't. Calm down, you were shown to have no proof of anything you claimed and you agreed that a fetus has no rights all in the same thread so it must be disturbing for you.... I can see where all that could add to you confusion and inability to substantiate anything you claimed....
It is ironic that the populist Republicans embrace the exact same tactics that Republicans have been criticizing in Dems in the past, and this "my body, my choice" is only one example. Race baiting, and victim playing are others. The Republican party is practically unrecognizable compared to the "party of Reagan"
You are all over the place, so it is very hard to follow your line of thought. So, let us start from xquare one; Are you "pro choice" or "pro life"? If you are the latter, what other basis than "a fetus has rights" do you base your argument on? If "pro choice", why are you arguing against me?
Well the first coherent post I've seen from you in years. Too bad it's moronic dribble. I don't need to substantiate anything. If you don't agree with it this is a challenge for you I know deal with it. I still think life begins at conception you didn't change that I still think it's wrong to terminated pregnancy to me it's murder. So you achieved nothing
I'm not having trouble perhaps the problem is with you. So, let us start from xquare one; Are you "pro choice" or "pro life"? If you are the latter, what other basis than "a fetus has rights" do you base your argument on? If "pro choice", why are you arguing against me?[/QUOTE] pro-life. What basis would I need other than life begins at conception.
And you didn't, you didn't show proof of any claims, never answered any questions that showed you to be Pro-Choice nor any other questions...
I'm not going to. I don't feel the need to. All of your insane ranting and raving didn't make sense to me. So if I'm pro-choice and you showed me to be pro-choice why do I think abortion shouldn't be allowed is that what pro-choice means?
OMGAWD! You don't know what Pro-Choice means but you argue about abortion ??!!!! That's like saying you don't know what "the" means....
I don't think so you're the one that told me that I was pro-choice. I think abortion is wrong. Maybe you need to think before you speak next time. Again you are the one that said I was pro-choice if anybody doesn't know what it means it's you
Right. So, a fertilised egg is a human being with full rights. Manslaughter is defined as the unlawful killing of a person without intent. If a fetus is a person (i.e. has rights), then the pregnant woman who directly or indirectly causes her own miscarriage has to be charged with manslaughter. Right? Also, considering that a pregnant woman's imune system is literally trying to attack and kill the fetus throughout the pregnancy, she would - if fetuses have rights - be charged with attempted murder or at least assault simply by being pregnant. If you grant fetuses personhood and thus rights, there are a lot of legal issues like these you would have to take under account and both defend and explain. Even something as harmless as consuming caffeine can cause a miscarriage. Is the unknowingly pregnant woman who goes to Starbuck's really to be seen as a criminal in your ideal society? Now, picture yoyurself at the subway station where you see a pregnant woman holding hands with her 5 year old and pushing a stroller with a baby in it. How many humans do you see? How many children are there? How many babies? If there was a crime scene involving them, how would you describe it to the 911-operator? A mother with her two kids or a mother with three kids? If you take your pregnant partner to an ultrasound, would you present the image you take home to your friends and family as "I am so proud my boo-boo just graduated high school"? I mean it obe day might, so why the heck not? What happens when giving birth is complicated and the fetus suffers trauma? Is it a violent crime? Why not? Lastly, if you make exceptions for rape, incest and/or when the mother's life is in danger, why? How does the way a woman got pregnant or what her health status is change the nature of what a fetus is? If a fetus has rights it should always have rights and killing it is always a crime, no? Or is it maybe then to be seen as self-defense? Why is it not then that a woman who consented to sex but not pregnancy is acting in self-defense when she has an abortion?
Already addressed this. Not doing it again. It's not my problem that you don't understand. What? That isn't what I said so any twaddle you posted after this isn't worth reading or quoting. Focus on my position rather than your strawman. miscarriage isn't abortion I won't address any of your what ifs until you understand that Look at the third part of this post. Repeatedly asking the same thing over and over again in different ways is exposing your inability to comprehend. See above see above I didn't say that I did make those exceptions.
Where is I don't believe him unborn child has particular rights a person does I don't believe the mother has the right to kill it. Hate to drop that bombshell on you but you probably should have never made the assumption otherwise in the first place if you want to know what I think just ask.
