Abortion Leading Global Cause of Death in 2021 with 43 Million Killed

You're hoping to open the door to coercion.

I'm certainly not going to support THAT idea in any way.

 

I don’t think he is looking for coercion, and I certainly am not,

You probably know a little about Quakers in the 18th and 19th centuries using gentle persuasion to convince their friends to give up, and condemn, slavery. It took a long time but it prepared a large part of America to be willing to end slavery. It’s that kind of persuasion I’m looking for on abortion now. Abortion is a moral evil, just a slavery is a moral evil.

 

2022 isn't a good time to be a proponent for moral values. From human trafficking , to abortion, to patriotism, to honesty, to election integrity, to mob violence, to riots, to just about every other measurable human behavior... moral values have dried up and blown away in 2022.

 

I understand, it’s an uphill battle. But, the only thing that can save our country is a moral revival. If we’ve permanently lost our moral values no amount of legislation or government power will be able to maintain a civil society. It will be gone.

 

If anything, it is the anti-abortion position that is more comparable to advocating slavery as it denies women their rights based on what is presented as arguments of "inherent biology" -- "Women must give birth because it is in their nature." (Vs. "Blacks are inferior by nature and therefore have no rights").

Abortion is the saw that destroys these chains and sets the woman free to live her life, exercise her liberties and pursue her happiness.

 

I can see the logic, but there is still the killing of a human life to deal with. What do you do with that fact?

 

It is not a fact.

A fetus is not a human being just like a potato is not a french fry. Of course, the anti-abortionist reply would have to be "lol, if a potato is not a french fry, then what is it -- a banana?", but of course not even they are dumb enough to make such a ridiculous statement because they are not consistent in their logic and not self-aware enough of their own premises to understand that it is the exact same line of (un)thinking.

 

I said “human life” which a fetus most certainly is. A unique human life is created at the moment of conception.

 

No. It is not.

A is A. A potato is not a french fry until it has been chopped and fried. If you go to Burger King and order fries and they give you a bag of potato seeds you would wonder what kind of idiot they have hired and demand to speak with the manager.

If the manager told you that "every chip was once a seed though" you would think he was absolutely insane and just go home because you would know speaking to him is a complete waste of your time. For some reason, all of us who are pro-abortion treat anti-abortionists with way too much care and think that your delusion can be argued with. The best thing for us to do would be to just go home.

I find that hard to do because I tend to have a positive view of people giving the undeserving too much credibility and time.

 

A human life is created at the moment of conception, an embryo, exactly what a human being is at that stage of development.

 

"At that stage of development". Exactly! This implies you understand it has not yet reached the stage of human being and that it is still developing. A minor is not an adult. At that stage of development it does not have the right to consent to sex, to drive a car, to carry a gun or to join the militcry. If your conflation of potential with actual is to be taken to its full logical conclusion, paedophilia would not be a crime -- "The 7 year old will be 18 one day!"

Rights have to be based on reality. On what is and not what might or will become.

Sperm swimming towards and uniting with an egg is not a human being. Neither me, nor you or anyone else reading this post is a sperm or an egg. If the egg is fertilised, it is not yet a human being -- We are not fertilised eggs.

What follows is a long process of implantation, cell-division and development and neither of us are single/two-celled organisms nor developing fetuses living in our mothers wombs depending on her to eat, breathe and defecate.

You have a serious problem with identifying concepts if you think a fertilised egg is a human being and if you are to be consistent in your application, a miscarriage has to be charged as manslaughter, every pregnant woman has to be charged with attempted murder since her body is literally trying to kill the fetus throughout pregnancy and even the fetus itself is a criminal since it is living inside and of another person without their consent (assuming it is an unwanted pregnancy), a right no person has.

 

Manslaughter? Is a miscarriage something done by another person to deliberately kill a human life?

A pregnant woman who suffers a miscarriage is usually distraught that she lost her “baby” in my experience.

 

In the US the abortion rights and population control movements have always been directed primarily toward genocide and the ethnic cleansing of minority populations.

"The eugenics establishment merged into — or more precisely took over—the population control campaign. In the late 1940s, the Milbank Memorial Fund, one of the main backers of eugenics, began to support research about overpopulation in underdeveloped countries. In 1952 Frederick Osborn, a leading eugenist, organized the Population Council. Osbourne later set up the Population Association of America, and his cousin Fairfield Osbourne became a leader of Planned Parenthood—World Population. The Rockefeller Foundation, another key funder of eugenics research, joined Milbank in 1936 in giving Princeton University (Henry Fairfield Osborn's and John D. Rockefeller III's alma mater) an Office of Population Research (OPR). In the 1940s OPR became a center for eugenists demographer's. Kingsley Davis, Clyde Kiser, Frank Notestein, Dudley Kirk, and Frank Lorimer all work there. When the Rockefeller Foundation financed the Population Council, these five men moved there. (the foundation had also sent its man Charles Edward Amory Winslow into Planned Parenthood at its inception.) Out of the 10 men on the Population Council's demographic and medical advisory boards six have been associated with eugenics."
LINDA GORDON, The Moral Property of Women, A History of Birth Control Politics In America, University of Illinois Press, Urbana and Chicago, 2007. p. 281.

 

Calling this twaddle only belittles twaddle. This is nothing more or less than misinformation.

 

Murder is the illegal taking of human life. Abortion is not illegal thus not murder.

 

Let's say the pregnant woman bumps her belly.

Sure, but so is the drunk-driver who accidentally rams into a playing kid on the sidewalk.

 

OK. And?

 

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"At that stage of development". Exactly! This implies you understand it has not yet reached the stage of human being and that it is still developing. A minor is not an adult. At that stage of development it does not have the right to consent to sex, to drive a car, to carry a gun or to join the militcry. If your conflation of potential with actual is to be taken to its full logical conclusion, paedophilia would not be a crime -- "The 7 year old will be 18 one day!"

Rights have to be based on reality. On what is and not what might or will become.

Sperm swimming towards and uniting with an egg is not a human being. Neither me, nor you or anyone else reading this post is a sperm or an egg. If the egg is fertilised, it is not yet a human being -- We are not fertilised eggs.

What follows is a long process of implantation, cell-division and development and neither of us are single/two-celled organisms nor developing fetuses living in our mothers wombs depending on her to eat, breathe and defecate.

You have a serious problem with identifying concepts if you think a fertilised egg is a human being and if you are to be consistent in your application, a miscarriage has to be charged as manslaughter, every pregnant woman has to be charged with attempted murder since her body is literally trying to kill the fetus throughout pregnancy and even the fetus itself is a criminal since it is living inside and of another person without their consent (assuming it is an unwanted pregnancy), a right no person has.

And could you tell me what TF that has to do with anything?

 

Saying a child in the womb is not a human being is as arbitrary as saying a person isn't a human being until it graduates college, writes its own name, is potty trained, or gets a driver's license. Life begins at conception. Saying its not a human being until birth is as silly its not a human being until it can it brush its own teeth.

 

Please don’t give them any ideas.

 

A college graduate is NOT inside another human being using it's body to sustain it's life....or didn't you know that?

 

I don't know about that. You should have seen some of our college shindigs! (Great memories!)

 

Birth is not arbitrary at all. It could not be any more clear cut -- Rights begin at birth.

Furthhermore, there are no children in the womb. That is a misidentification of concepts. I work with children and none of them are in the womb, I can assure you that.

Life does not begin at conception. That implies that there is no life before conception which is wrong. Sperm and egg cells are very much alive, but it is not being alive that gives us rights.

 

I hate to break it to you, but rights already kind of work like that since we do not give people full rights until they are legal adults. So, sucks to be you.

If it was up to you fetuses dhould be allowed to carry guns, vote in elections and get married. Which is pretty darn dumb, to say the least.

 

OMG! You went to parties and had sex outside marriage? Gasp! So many lives killed in all that exchange of salivia, grinding on the dancefloor and "dorm-room fun".

You are a murderer! Innocent children in the balls and ovaries being killed for the sake of your convenience. Gasp.

Efit: Sorry, I meant fwornicayshun. Gaa-gaa-goo-goo.