Abortion & Minimum Wage: How Abortion Oppresses Women

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  1. kazenatsu

    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You might ask, how can abortion oppress women if women are choosing it?

    Well, an analogy can be made to minimum wage laws.
    We all know minimum wage laws are there to protect workers and prevent them from being exploited.
    But we know that, if the minimum wage did not exist, no one is "forcing" the worker to work for less than they choose to.
    If the worker works for less than $15 an hour, it is because they made the individual choice to, isn't it?
    But we still recognize that as exploitation.

    It's a similar situation with abortion. Many women don't really want an abortion. They are only "choosing" it because they feel they have no other choice, they are being pushed into it.

    In some situations, laws that restrict choice can actually help some individuals get the outcome that they would prefer.

    If you can't be forced to choose something, you can't be coerced into it.

    A similar story exists for young women taken advantage of and pushed into prostitution by pimps. Or the issue of polygamy. It's still the woman's individual choice, but most people still recognize that is not going to be good for women and is ultimately going to push them into unfair situations they do not want.
     
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    Capt Nice Well-Known Member

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    You make a lot of assumptions about a topic you have no experience with.
     
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    Let's also not forget young women can be pressured into having an abortion by boyfriends or parents.
     
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    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Are you trying to help me make my argument?
     
  5. kazenatsu

    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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  6. Polydectes

    Polydectes Well-Known Member

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    Neither I agree with your point and I offered another reason to support your assessment.
     
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    Oh boy, this will be fun. We are in for another anti-abortion roller-coaster of pleads to emotion rather than actual arguments.

    I am listening...

    Wrong, but carry on.

    Who is "we"?

    Aha...

    No woman wants it as in dreaming of having to have one, but abortion is a necessary good once needed.

    What? How? You cannot get away with this without further elaboration and.explanation.

    What the heck are you talking about?
     
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    Just as they can be pursued into giving birth.

    I know it may come as a shock to you to hear that women are not gullible little breeding stock, but actual human beings with the capacity to reason and form their own judgement and use this capacity to make the right choice for themselves.
     
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    that doesn't make any sense if they're pregnant chances are they're going to give birth pressure or no.
    I just don't think death is over the right choice it's absence of choice.
     
  10. Ritter

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    Only if you think women are stockfarm animals put on Earth to pop out babies and never pursue their own values and happiness.

    Never? Are you vegan? What about self defense?
     
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    Show proof.
    Many women don't really want pregnancy and childbirth. They are only "choosing" it because they feel they have no other choice, they are being pushed into it.





    If you can't be forced to choose something ( pregnancy and childbirth) , you can't be coerced into it.

    Why do you believe women should be controlled like cattle?
     
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    If guys were honest or forthright in their untoward actions then fewer abortions would be necessary.
     
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    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yeah, but think, which is actually worse?
     
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    FoxHastings said:
    Many women don't really want pregnancy and childbirth. They are only "choosing" it because they feel they have no other choice, they are being pushed into it.


    For the millionth time.... that is up to the pregnant one to decide.....not the government, not some religious freak, and certainly not YOU.
     
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    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I see, so you believe women should be free to choose to enter a polygamous marriage if they want to.
    You believe women should be able to choose to be pimped out if they want.
    And I suppose you also believe women should be able to work for less money if they want to?
     
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    So you're advocating taking rights away from a woman, because and make sure I'm understanding you correctly, a 'man' knows better than her and what she wants?
     
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    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    If a woman can decide, she can also be coerced.
    A vulnerable woman...
     
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    Yes, yes, and yes.
    Why do you believe women should be controlled like cattle? UNANSWERED
     
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    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    No, so a man can't control and push her into doing something she might really not want to do.

    Think about a 15 year old girl and her father telling her she has to get an abortion.

    Think about a stay at home mom married to a rich but controlling man. He tells her she is going to get an abortion. She has little choice.
     
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    FoxHastings said:
    For the millionth time.... that is up to the pregnant one to decide....

    Why couldn't you address the post of mine you quoted?

    If a man can decide he can also be coerced. A vulnerable man......

    Where's your point?
     
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    There are already laws protecting PEOPLE from being pushed into things they may not want to do.


    Think about any female being told she has to gestate and give birth...or a father forcing his 15 year old daughter to birth HIS child..
     
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    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Think about a 13 year old girl who marries a man three times her age.
    Suppose she were allowed to marry in that situation.
    Is she "choosing" it?

    Even if she signs her name on a piece of paper agreeing to it.

    If you allow that, there will be girls pushed into that.

    We take away their choice to prevent them from being exploited.

    Young women who are pregnant are typically in a vulnerable situation.
     
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    So let me rephrase. What you're advocating is 'good men' can make sure to protect women from 'bad men'.
     
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    NO, that's why there are laws against it.

    Yes, because 13 year olds are not adults ...that's why they are protected now with laws.


    So what? That doesn't mean their rights should be taken away....they shouldn't be FORCED to gestate.
     
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    No, he's advocating that men control women.
     
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