There is no greater force than an idea whose time as come.

Well, I must've misunderstood you yet again as I haven't a clue what this says or means.

 

Got all the votes we need getting more all the time as Dems drive more and more people out of big blue cities and states by sponsoring policies that make them unlivable. But then maybe the tsunami will spruce things up a bit.

 

How about only land owners of my choosing be able to vote? What's wrong with that?

 

So screw all the people in California and New York who voted for the opposition right? Their votes don't count cause propaganda sold the majority of the state?
You just want people to have to move so their voice is heard..Why?

 

delete.

 

Evidence, please, or you are dismissed.

 

One of the primary issues faced in creating a nation is the ability of balance- and maintaining rights of minority interests. In theory, a straight vote would mean dictatorial control of all rural people and interests by those in the cities. In fact, the inherent values, work ethics and patriotic views of the rural population tend to average consistently higher than those area of high population density- and we are indeed highly dependent on those people and what they produce, what they contribute to the nation and the quality of life for everyone.

There is no perfect system- and we should not be rejecting what works in the pursuit of something perfect, that doesn't exist.

 

I believe you meant that for Polydectes.

If you read my extensive commentaries regarding Republics, you'll find much agreement. However, in actual practice, the term, "Republic", though most often associated with western styled representative democracies, is actually a broader term, as I've explained in another post.

 

One man one vote? It is interesting that in Arizona and Georgia and probably Wisconsin too, in certain precincts, more votes were cast in 2020 than there were registered voters. Yeah man, 10 ten men delivers 100 votes.

 

http://www.politicalforum.com/index...d-our-democracy.596081/page-3#post-1073193132
Yes, but the reason it exists was designed at time when the nation was something it no longer is.
The 13 states were relatively similar in size, with a few small ones the EC was designed to bring a larger voice to, as well as to diminish the tendency of factions to tyrannize other factions. .

However, it was never meant to penalize a state like California with 39,000,000 people so that Montana would have a stronger voice because the framers could not have foreseen a state like California, not to mention that country is so large now the issue of factions no longer is relevant, what has emerged are two dominant parties which did not exist at the EC's conception. So, the entire reason for the EC is no longer works as it once did, the nation has evolved, our nation is constrained in harmful ways by it, not to mention that the EC of Hamilton ended a long time ago..

It's a dinosaur that has outlived it's usefulness.

The ONLY reason republicans like it is because it gives a republican vote far more weight than a democrat vote, and that isn't right.
I don't care how you slice it, it's not right, and that problem needs fixing.

The ONLY way to fix it is to do this:

One person, one vote, and whichever candidate gets the most votes, wins.

We will still have representative democracy.

 

Oh, the story hasn't ended yet.

I will grant you that ridding America of the EC would require a consitutional amendment, which is well nigh impossible.

HOWEVER

1. 61% of Americans favor getting rid of the EC

https://news.gallup.com/poll/320744/americans-support-abolishing-electoral-college.aspx


2. Legislative work arounds are definitely possible, here's one:

https://www.nationalpopularvote.com/

 

I think it goes without saying that 'one person, one vote' includes reversing the Citizen's United Ruling and the elimination of dark money in politics. We'll figure it out, not to worry. My idea for national TV campaign and few stops, is something I thought of on the fly, I'll have to research it for a more solid policy proposal.

 

Well, there ya go!

 

Besides the Bill of Rights the Constitution has been successfully Amended 17 times. It's not easy but far from impossible

We managed to get one which made ANY alcoholic beverage illegal, and then we had another one which repealed THAT. It's sure as HELL not impossible.

 

They were all achieved at a time when the people could be reasoned with.

Today, the right of center are pretty much batshit crazy. Evidence of that is their backing of Trump. Unfortunately, a CA would require contribution from both parties.

 

The people can always be reasoned with. Sometimes one or another Party will be hijacked by one or another faction and become recalcitrant and difficult; then the people have to call them to heel. I think we will see this happen in 2022 and the Republicans are going to get the surprise of their lives.

 

Bulls***. You thought a poll provided to a few hundred people means 61% of the country wants to get rid of the EC?
Are you really that gullible? Really?

From the same Gallup claim
Between 1967 and 1980, Gallup tracked the public's appetite for changing the electoral system with a similarly worded question and found majorities of 58% to 80% approved of amending the Constitution to "do away with the Electoral College and base the election of a president on the total vote cast throughout the nation.

So 80% of Americans want to do away with the EC and not one single politician has run on that platform in 50 years?
Its absolutely amazing what some people will believe.

So I assumed you even read that link? This is their claim as to how it will work.
The U.S. Constitution (Article II, Section 1) gives the states exclusive control over awarding their electoral votes: “Each State shall appoint, in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a Number of Electors....” The winner-take-all method of awarding electoral votes is state law. It is not in the U.S. Constitution.

But how the electors vote IS in the Constitution and you actually think a Democrat elector will vote for a Republican or vise versa?
There is no legislative work around in regards to the Constitution and the only people out there that would consider something like that are just very low intellect individuals without any idea how that could bite them in the ass.

EXAMPLE
Democrats under Obama couldn't get some of their leftist judges appointed to state courts through the Senate. So what did these idiotic Democrats do?
They changed the vote requirement from 60 to 50 to confirm.

What did it cost them?

Kavanaugh, Gorsuch, and Bennet were all confirmed with 51 votes.

Thats Democrat thinking for ya right there. And even after such a disastrous failure on their part, what did they learn.
Nothing

 

They are not so batshit crazy they are going to let the leftist lunatics rule the country. Defund the police? Open the borders? The only reason they want this is to gain electoral advantage.

If you ask me the idea whose time has come is secession, a national divorce, not a way for wokesters to lord it over the nation.

 

This makes the common but false assumption that one man one equal vote is a good thing. The founders and framers seriously thought otherwise.

 

Evidence, please.

Or be dismissed.

 

So?

 

I just told you what happens with the opposition votes.

 

You are more optimistic than me