Negotiate Peace With Russia to Prevent War Over Ukraine

Ah... another Uncle Joe guy. People like you kept Russia alive during its Bolshevik and Stalinist eras.
... the glowing reports of collectivizaition, pictures of thousands of tractors rolling out of worker ruled
factories (and left rusting in Soviet paddocks)
For a long time the Katyn Massacre were vehemently denied by Western lefties, until the Russians
admitted to it. Poles still recall the mass exile of their people to the Soviet Union - most never seen
again. Putin just shut down the Memorial NGO group studying all this - if there was nothing to hide
it would be a perfect vehicle for exonerating the brutality of the Russians and their government.

 

Wrong what .. never said otherwise ? - 3 Strawmen - need to better distinguish what folks say - and what you make up in your head.

Yup ... that's what I told you

 

Isn't Russia. the only great power that has not at some point been at war with the USA?

 

I do not make anything up. And I quote incorrect statements directly above where I point out that they are wrong.

In this case you were wrong to state that the limits of the current arms control treaty are sufficient to destroy both China and Russia.

No. You wrongly said that a much lower number of deployed warheads was sufficient.

 

Oh, then you don't like my poems? How about this one?

There is a land that I come from
I know, I know you think we're dumb
and then some -
for having given them our gun.

So now we're locked up in our home
We can't go out; we cannot roam,
and yet believe so stupidly
the lies that they keep telling me.

- Jeannette

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I think you're right, although I don't think they were at war with Prussia when they were a single power. They seemed to have had a close relationship because of the royal families.

Russia was attacked by Napoleon and Britain supported the Ottomans in the Crimea war, otherwise they would have lost Constantinople and the world situation would have been a lot different than it is today. I don't know if Russia was ever at war with Italy and Spain though, and yet they were powers at one time.

 

If Konigsberg is lost it should be returned to the Germans....they will make it vibrant and prosperous....as it stands with Russkis occupying" it....80% of its residents visit the EU for shopping and entertainment purposes....it's just a warm water naval base for the Russkis ....nothing more.

And that's indicative of any Russian en/exclave....stagnant economy,crap infrastructure,poverty,and corrupt local officials wanted by Interpol,or in hiding somewhere.

Russkis will probably need 500k+ for any kind of "successful" operation in Ukraine....80% of those coming back in a bodybag....unless the Kremlin chimp is hoping he can massively bribe military top brass into defecting or standing down....much like in Crimea.

LDPR is an epic disaster....Vladolf knows this....no queues of babushkas with flowers waiting to greet him.

 

What I think Destroyer should have said is that Russia never attacked a European nation unless it was to defend an Orthodox population when under attack, but he might not know this. The reason the Russians were not aggressive towards Europe, is because they could always expand Eastwards when they wanted land or freedom.

When other Europeans tried to expand Eastwards for land, they couldn't because they were faced with an Orthodox population that refused to go under the Pope and which was supported by Russia. There's still a Catholic/Orthodox divide in Eastern Europe. Historical memories do not die so easily.

With the rise of Protestantism there was less friction with the Russians since most of the royals were German, but the cultural differences were there since the foundation of Russia is the Byzantine Empire and not Latin Rome. These differences came to the forefront with the rise in nationalism. What didn't change though are the cultural impositions of Western Europe - whether it was the impositions of the religious dogmas of the past, the ideals of the 'Enlightenment' or the liberal stupidities we have today.

Anyway, this is only my broad interpretation of Russian/European history, so take it as you may.

 

You make a good point it noting that the ability of the Russian State to expand eastwards (and southwards) may have had a limiting impact on the desire or need for Russia to try and expand westwards. I would note a couple of things though.
Firstly the eastward expansion of Russia came at the cost of the indigenous polities. So from the perspective of those states & tribes etc Russia was conducting wars of expansion, the same as any nation expanding by force of arms into territory occupied by others.

Secondly Russia did expand it's boundaries westward at one point, occupying parts of what had been the Polish Empire (Polish land) just as that Empire had in turn occupied significant portions of what is now Belarus and Ukraine when it expanded eastwards before collapsing back to its present day borders.

All of which I think goes to my point that pretty much every nation is the same boat when it comes to having a history of violence.

 

U.S. intel suggests Russia is preparing a 'false-flag' operation as pretext for Ukraine invasion

U.S. intelligence indicates Russia has pre-positioned a group of operatives to conduct a "false-flag" operation in eastern Ukraine to justify an invasion of the country, a U.S. official said Friday. The operatives are “trained in urban warfare and in using explosives to carry out acts of sabotage against Russia’s own proxy forces,” the official said.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/po...1dhwcnbk12FonLVdaU9GbpBHLQ8wEnPoF3rSlySoBAAA=

 

US intelligence? Isn't that an oxymoron? The same guys that said the Steele Dossier was legit? 5 minutes and half a brain later...one should know there is no Russian Consulate in Miami. Maybe they were too busy finding those weapons of mass destruction in Iraq?

I don't believe one word of that bovine excrement.

 

Especially when in relation to one of the "Bad Guys" - in the various turf wars - Obama's "Moderate Rebel Lie" is one of my favorites - Even Biden didn't buy that one .. accidentally putting foot in mouth - as Biden is won't so often to do.

Questions after a speech at Harvard - Late 2014 -

https://mideastshuffle.com/2014/10/04/biden-turks-saudis-uae-funded-and-armed-al-nusra-and-al-qaeda/

Yes Joe .. and as we now know you were hand in hand with El Saud - and a large coalition of other nations - CIA leading the Charge .. along with MI6 and the usual gang - to arm these moderates that did not exist .. and handn't for some time .. The Islamic State - a new State formed .. consisting of Al Qaeda and ISIS .. depending on which part of the state you were in .. a few other affiliates in different areas ..

Brought over all the left over stuff from war in Yugoslavia we did .. arming our proxy Islamist Jihadists - and what a state was created .. complete with all manner of horror .. Strict Sharia -- dark age style .. head coppers all over the internet .. showing their glory .. rape, forced marriage .. all manner of abuse on marginalized groups .. daily public executions .. all the good stuff ... "our Lads in Syria"

 

If Washington and its propaganda networks like NBC said that Russia is going to commit a false flag attack, then what it really means is that Ukraine is going to attack the 2 Republics and call it a Russian false flag attack.

This way they'll be ahead in the propaganda game, because that's all they care about. They have nothing else going for them.

Here's NBC's darling Rachel Maddow:

 

Ah Jeannette, you are at it again.
When we have a formal aliance between Russia, China, North Korea, Iran, Cuba and Venezuela
please go and join them.

 

From the looks of Aussie land, they are all turning out to be better choices. I once wanted to visit down under, but no more. I'll stick to places that have more rights and freedoms....like Russia.

 

My family fought in the American War of Independence. I am related to one General Geist who
served with Washington. To this day I wonder what the fuss was about - Canada, New Zealand,
Australia etc are in the British Commonweath and have much the same rights. Indeed, I doubt
there woud have been WW1 and WW2 had America been a part of the Commonwealth, and I
can't see how the slavery and Civil War could have happened.
That said America has handled Covid badly - neary one million dead and many millions more
facing disabilities. I understand that Covid became political just as AIDS became political - and
quickly spread. You have laws you don't obey. Next time it might be something worse, like Ebola,
and you will be helpless to fight it.
I live in South Australia. We had about 3 or 4 Covid deaths due to border lockdowns and masks.
Had SA been USA that numbe would have been 7,500 deaths. We saved that many people. Feel
free to come here - we don't have mass Covid cemetaries.

 

I don't give a damn about visiting a prison.....hell your government wouldn't let its own citizens back in the country for over a year.

As far as your slavery comment, slavery began and was legalized under British rule...in British colonies. If we were still part of the 'commonwealth', then no telling how long slavery would have went on.

Masks don't work.

Be good now...and obey your tyrannical government.

 

And if one goes there.......one must follow the rules as defined by Australia.

(Not sure how much some know about the fine & unique country of Australia.But are ready to insult it.........in a disgraceful way.

 

Slavery existed in basically every nation on earth, including native American societies.
And Britain was one of the first nation to ban it - not only in England but in America,
Africa and the Arab nations.

Masks work on varying levels
1 - they reduce your exhalation
2 - they reduce your inhalation
3 - they limit you touching your mouth and nose
4 - they send a strong message about safety

 

If masks did no work.......surgeons and other medical staff would not be wearing them.......Nor would workers in jobs that deal with airborne issues., contaminants. (dangerous dust etc

 

Ukraine reveals website attacks were 'cover for more destructive actions'


https://news.sky.com/story/ukraine-...e-cover-for-more-destructive-actions-12517808

 

One can only judge a nation from the minds and hearts of its people. Doesn't seem too great a place to me.

 

What I see are minions with no voice and no integrity, or they wouldn't have allowed Julian Assange to be tortured the way he was, nor would they have bowed to totalitarianism and handed in their guns. But they did.



I dost believe that to be free
we shouldn't give our guns to thee.

And thus protect our house and home
from all of those who like to roam,

like animals so angrily,
who tellest us so blatantly,

that we should never dare to stray,
for only they should have a say,

in what we do, but not as we please
while forcing us upon our knees,

to worship gods of hate and greed,
and things that we can never heed.

Now these are things we did not choose
And freedoms something we can't lose,

to liberal laws and swords so cruel
and brandished about by those who rule.

- Jeannette

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Nearly a million Americans dead from a preventable disease.
110,000 shot every year.
70,000 drug deaths.

Sure, we have deadly snakes, funnel web spiders, blue ring octopus etc
but these wouldn't reach ONE DOZEN deaths.