Part 39 of Post Your Tough Questions Regarding Christianity

Never said Manking has no free will. If God knows everything before it happen's as you claim - then why did God create humans - knowing that this would be a mistake he would regret and thus want to wipe out humanity.

Why would God Punish Adam and Eve -- for something God did to them - putting them in the ring with the Serpent .. knowing they would lose.

Sorry mate .. I do not subscribe to the "God is an idiot" idiology.

 

And so because the devil posed questions to the Creator Almighty God that in your mind proves the Creator Almighty God is not Omnipotent. The truth is it actually proves you suffer from an ailment that people have who misinterpret the Holy Bible routinely...it's called misinterprelitus and furthermore it's rather obvious that you are a disbeliever in the Creator Almighty God to spew out that statement of yours.

Believers in the Creator Almighty God acknowledge that He is indeed Omnipotent...meaning All-Powerful as well as having attributes of Omniscience and Omnipresence. Almighty God is Infinite, He is Sovereign, so He must be Omnipotent.

In the Book of Job, Job spoke of Almighty God's power.

We Read in Scripture:

2 “I know that you can do anything, and no one can stop you. Job 42:2 NLT

Job was acknowledging Almighty God's omnipotence in carrying out His plans.

Nowhere is Almighty God's omnipotence seen more clearly than in creation.

We Read in Scripture:

The Account of Creation

1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.[a] 2 The earth was formless and empty, and darkness covered the deep waters. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the surface of the waters. Genesis 1:1-2 NLT

We mortal human beings need tools and materials to create but Our Creator Almighty God simply spoke and by the power of His word, everything was created from nothing.

We Read in Scripture:

6 The Lord merely spoke, and the heavens were created. He breathed the word, and all the stars were born. Psalm 33:6 NLT

And so obviously giff you have a misconception of the Creator Almighty God due to your disbelief and misinterpretations of the Holy Bible!

 

There is no "misinterpretation" ===> this is you just making stuff up - reciting your standard diatribe of denial and avoidance every time a tough question comes up. ... of course you don't state what the misinterpretation is - giving the correct interpretation .. actually attempting to substantiate your nonsense naked claims.

Misconception -- What misconception .. again you give no clue as to what you are talking about .. mumbling out loud some denial conversation you are having with yourself.

Speak .. what is the "misconception"

The Question is one of omnipotence "All Knowing" What is the point of Satan making a bet with his Father, if his Father already knows the outcome.

Does Satan not know that his Father is Omnipotent ? Is this what you are claiming is the "misconception" ?

 

Truth is both of you are spewing out falsehoods here. Not surprising, I mean that's typically what unbelievers of Our Creator Almighty God do. The Holy Bible is not chock full of blatant contradictions and there are not at least 3 different Gods in the Bible. So both of you have misinterpreted what you've read in the Holy Bible.

Truth is there is only one God in the Holy Bible, that is the Christian God, the Trinity, The Father, The Son, and The Holy Spirit. So let me explain the Trinity.
God is not three entities, nor three beings. God is a trinity of persons consisting of one substance and one essence. God is numerically one. Yet, within the single divine essence are three individual subsistence that we call persons.

Here let me explain it further to try make it even more clearer, for example take a chicken egg. The egg can be shown to have three parts: the shell, the white, and the yolk. Each of these parts of the egg is separate from the other parts, but it is clear that you cannot have a whole egg without the parts, and that all the parts are part of the same egg.

Truth is though the Trinity can be a difficult concept to grasp even with the explanations I have already presented. But this does not necessitate an argument against its validity.

The law of identity states: "each thing is the same with itself and different from another": "A is A and not ~A". By this it is meant that each thing comprises it own unique set of characteristic qualities or features, which the ancient Greeks called its essence.

Consequently, things that have the same essence are the same thing, while things that have different essences are different things.

Since God is a trinity of persons consisting of one substance and one essence, the law of identity is not violated.

Only Our Creator, the All Powerful, Almighty God can be three persons but numerically one.

3 = 1 (one) God, the Christian God, the Trinity. The Father, The Son, The Holy Spirit.

We Read in Scripture:

Our Lord Savior Jesus Christ said,

30 "The Father and I are one." John 10:30 NLT

 

What are these false accusations -- as is the way of the deciever .. in a desperate attempt to avoid the supporting your made up claims which come from man made dogma.

Now quit dodging and answer the question.
Does Satan not know that his Father is Omnipotent ? Is this what you are claiming is the "misconception"

Now in relation to this post .. you repeat the same snake charmer dogma that has been roundly refuted -- you running from questions as soon as the going gets "tough"

What is the name of the God you are referring to .. The "Most HIgh God" .. and if there are no other Gods .. what are the other Divinities in heaven .. referred to in Deut 32:43 and why are these Divinities and Son's of God referred to in Old Bibles but edited out of modern one's .

Come on Mitt -- Quit avoiding the tough stuff .. This "bad thought avoidance" game you play .. inquiring minds want to know the Truth .. and thus far . you have failed to deliver .

 

I've got another one. If you look at Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John, they give conflicting accounts of what happened after the resurrection.
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew 28&version=NIV
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Mark 16&version=NIV
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke 24&version=NIV
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John 20&version=NIV

Just a few problems. John says Mary Magdalene found the tomb empty at night, while the other versions says she and the other women found it empty in the morning. Mark says the women didn't tell anybody while the other versions say they did. They also don't agree on the number and location of the angels and what they said. If you disagree, can you give an account that happened with the tomb that is consistent with the four gospels?

 

Obviously you are claiming the Four Gospels contradict one another. Critics/skeptics of the Christian Holy Bible can be a funny bunch, I mean if all the Gospels were written very similarly, critics/skeptics will cry out "collusion!". Conversely if there is just a slight difference/variance in presentation critics/skeptics will cry out "contradiction!"
Critics/skeptics fail to recognize that not everyone will have the same perspective in regards to being an eye witness to a particular event. So naturally when they give their individual eye witness accounts you might see some slight differences/variances in relation to other eye witnesses' accounts.

Furthermore, the writers of the Gospels did not attempt an exhaustive narrative...in other words, Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John had no intention of telling us every detail of the resurrection or every event in the order that it happened.

Again I repeat, if the resurrection accounts harmonize perfectly, critics/skeptics will claim that the writers of the Gospels conspired/colluded together. If the resurrection accounts have some differences, critics/skeptics will claim that the Gospels contradict each other and therefore cannot be trusted.

As far as we Christians are concerned it is our contention that the resurrection accounts can be harmonized and do not contradict each other.
However, even if the resurrection accounts cannot be perfectly harmonized, that does not make them untrustworthy. By any reasonable evaluation, the resurrection accounts from the four Gospels are superbly consistent eyewitness testimonies.

The central truths - that Our Lord Savior Jesus Christ was resurrected from the dead and that the resurrected Lord Jesus appeared to many people - are clearly taught in each of the Four Gospels. The apparent inconsistencies are in "side issues." How many angels did they see in the tomb, one or two? (Perhaps one person only saw one angel, while the other person saw two angels.) To how many women did the Lord Jesus appear, and to whom did He appear first? (While each Gospel has a slightly different sequence to the appearances, none of them claims to be giving the precise chronological order.) So, while the resurrection accounts may seem to be inconsistent, it cannot be proven that the accounts are contradictory.

Ok thanks for your question Distraff, it was a pleasure for me to answer it as best as I could.

We Read in Scripture:

The Ascension

50 Then Jesus led them to Bethany, and lifting his hands to heaven, he blessed them. 51 While he was blessing them, he left them and was taken up to heaven. 52 So they worshiped him and then returned to Jerusalem filled with great joy. 53 And they spent all of their time in the Temple, praising God. Luke 24:50-53 NLT

 

Former atheist.. and presently police office, did a cold case investigation, he pointed out that one of the things that added a bit of veracity to the Gospels was the variances due to differnces and perspective of the witnesses,, just like his experience in doing investigations today. He became a believer at teh end of it all.. wrote a book called (I think) "Cold case Christianity"


One of my favorite funny stories was my M-I-L's account of a minor automobile collision she witnessed.. She couldn't tell you the make of the cars, wasn't particularly clear on who did what but she could tell where the elegant woman bought her clothes and probably knew what she paid for them and thus, her conclusion was the other woman was at fault.

 

Thanks Brother Todd for your post. Liked that favorite funny story of yours...all so true about how some eye-witnesses will respond to witnessing a particular event they've witnessed...lol

 

If the account harmonize then I don't have a problem. If they are using the same terms then its very likely they copied from each other. If there are differences, it depends on how big the differences are and whether you can explain the differences with one account simply leaving out some details.

I'd think an angel would be pretty easy to spot especially when matthew says "His appearance was like lightning, and his clothes were white as snow." Also these accounts are by the apostles who listened to the women and wrote down their account. You'd think they would talk together and come to a consensus about how many angels there were.

Matthew says they met an angel who was sitting on a stone, Mark says they met an angel sitting in the tomb, Luke says two angels appeared beside them while in the tomb, and Mark says Mary Magdeline didn't meet any angels.

Its tolerable if some accounts leave out some women but its really weird they would. If I was giving an account, I'd mention every woman there. Matthew says it was the two Marys, Mark says it was the two Marys and Salome, Luke refers to "the women", John mentions just Mary Magdeline. Weird.

Matthew says they met Jesus first and then told the news to the Apostles. Mark says they didn't tell anyone. Luke says the told the apostles first and then met Jesus. John says Mary told the apostles Jesus was missing, and they all went to the tomb, and Mary men Jesus when the apostles had given up.

What I asked for was a very specific account of what happened, like at a crime scene. If you were a detective and the supposed witnesses who were all buddies had inconsistencies that completely contradicted that would be very concerning.

Thanks, I'm rather impressed you've put this time to trying to figure out this bible stuff for the forum.

 

If God is omnipotent (lets say he is), then God is ultimately responsible for everything and all is exactly as God intends it to be. That tells us a lot about God, and not all of it is admirable.

Saying that God is all powerful and also that God is all Good in turn tells us a lot about what you consider good to be. It tells is a lot about your sense of morality, and we can and should judge you accordingly as we look at the world you say your God created and maintains as it is.

When millions of young children die of disease, your God could prevent that but decides to make it so. Parasites that eat other animals from the inside out are creations of God too, yes? That some animals are incapable of eating plants and must kill and eat other animals to survive is also God's idea, yes?

 

I didn't read all your posts on this subject. Have you ever read any version of whatever your referring to as "The Holy Bible" in its entirety? If you have, you would know there are many, many contradictions* in the Bible.



Beyond that, why did this being...

Only Our Creator, the All Powerful, Almighty God can be three persons but numerically one.

3 = 1 (one) God, the Christian God, the Trinity. The Father, The Son, The Holy Spirit.​

1. Not know that his clay toys would be confused and fight over his books for centuries?

2. Why do those books include the part about him making his clay toys in his image? Many of his clay toys are mean and hateful (and that fits him too) but doesn't that mean he can't be perfect and infallible?

I've never been angry at my human kids but I can't imagine drowning them if I did get angry at them. 'Roid rage, maybe? Why didn't he invent Anger Management classes so he could enroll?


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https://www.atheists.org/activism/resources/biblical-contradictions/
http://www.1001biblecontradictions.com/Introduction.html

 

Let me start by first saying that all mainstream Christian sects agree that Our Creator Almighty God is preeminent in power and authority and so whether or not He is actually sovereign is usually not a topic of debate. And so Almighty God's sovereignty is one of the most important principles of Christian theology.

Almighty God’s sovereignty is a natural consequence of His omniscience, omnipotence, and omnipresence. What’s subject to disagreement is to what extent God applies His sovereignty...specifically, how much control He exerts over the wills of men. When we speak of the sovereignty of God, we mean He rules the universe, but then the debate begins over when and where His control is direct and when it is indirect.

In the Christian Holy Bible Our Creator Almighty God is described as all-powerful and all-knowing, outside of time and responsible for the creation of everything.

We Read in Scripture:

5 How great is our Lord! His power is absolute! His understanding is beyond comprehension! Psalm 147:5 NLT

2 Before the mountains were born, before you gave birth to the earth and the world, from beginning to end, you are God. Psalm 90:2 NLT

The Account of Creation

1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.[a] Genesis 1:1 NLT

Prologue: Christ, the Eternal Word

1 In the beginning the Word already existed. The Word was with God, and the Word was God. John 1:1 NLT

These divine traits set the minimum boundary for Almighty God’s sovereign control in the universe, which is to say that nothing in the universe occurs without His permission. He has the power and knowledge to prevent anything He chooses to prevent, so anything that does happen must, at the very least, be “allowed” by Him.
But at the same time, the Christian Holy Bible describes Almighty God as offering humanity choices, holding them personally responsible for their sins, and being unhappy with some of their actions. Yes, He gave us the gift of free will. We can choose to do things that are righteous or do things that are unrighteous, the choice is ours to make and so we are responsible for the choices we make. But of course Our Creator Almighty God always want us to do things that are righteous.

We Read in Scripture:

15 “Now listen! Today I am giving you a choice between life and death, between prosperity and disaster. 16 For I command you this day to love the Lord your God and to keep his commands, decrees, and regulations by walking in his ways. If you do this, you will live and multiply, and the Lord your God will bless you and the land you are about to enter and occupy.
17 “But if your heart turns away and you refuse to listen, and if you are drawn away to serve and worship other gods, 18 then I warn you now that you will certainly be destroyed. You will not live a long, good life in the land you are crossing the Jordan to occupy.
19 “Today I have given you the choice between life and death, between blessings and curses. Now I call on heaven and earth to witness the choice you make. Oh, that you would choose life, so that you and your descendants might live! Deut. 30:15-19 NLT

5 You must not bow down to them or worship them, for I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God who will not tolerate your affection for any other gods. I lay the sins of the parents upon their children; the entire family is affected—even children in the third and fourth generations of those who reject me. Exodus 20:5 NLT

3 In this way, Israel joined in the worship of Baal of Peor, causing the Lord’s anger to blaze against his people. Numbers 25:3 NLT

The fact that sin exists in this world at all proves that not all things that occur are the direct actions of Our Creator Almighty God, who is perfectly holy. The reality of human volition (and human accountability) sets the maximum boundary for God’s sovereign control over the universe, which is to say there is a point at which He chooses to allow things that He does not directly cause.

The fact that Almighty God is sovereign essentially means that He has the power, wisdom, and authority to do anything He chooses within His creation. Whether or not He actually exerts that level of control in any given circumstance is actually a completely different question. Often, the concept of divine sovereignty is oversimplified. We tend to assume that, if Almighty God is not directly, overtly, purposefully driving some event, then He is somehow not sovereign. The cartoon version of sovereignty depicts a God who must do anything that He can do, or else He is not truly sovereign.

Of course, such a cartoonish view of God’s sovereignty is logically false. If a man were to put an ant in a bowl, the “sovereignty” of the man over the ant is not in doubt. The ant may try to crawl out, and the man may not want this to happen. But the man is not forced to crush the ant, drown it, or pick it up. The man, for reasons of his own, may choose to let the ant crawl away, but the man is still in control. There is a difference between allowing the ant to leave the bowl and helplessly watching as it escapes. The cartoon version of God’s sovereignty implies that, if the man is not actively holding the ant inside the bowl, then he must be unable to keep it in there at all.

The illustration of the man and the ant is at least a vague parallel to God’s sovereignty over mankind. God has the ability to do anything, to take action and intervene in any situation, but He often chooses to act indirectly or to allow certain things for reasons of His own. His will is furthered in any case. God’s “sovereignty” means that He is absolute in authority and unrestricted in His supremacy. Everything that happens is, at the very least, the result of God’s permissive will. This holds true even if certain specific things are not what He would prefer. The right of God to allow mankind’s free choices is just as necessary for true sovereignty as His ability to enact His will, wherever and however He chooses.

Our Creator Almighty God is indeed all powerful as well as all good. When Almighty God created the world it was very good.

We Read in Scripture:

31 Then God looked over all he had made, and he saw that it was very good! Genesis 1:31 NLT

All these diseases/miseries/calamities that plague mankind is the result of mankind's sinful nature. When our first parents Adam & Eve sinned in the Garden of Eden by disobeying God's command it resulted in sin to enter the world, it was the start of a fallen/sinful world.

As for some animals being incapable of eating plants, well at the beginning of creation, animals mainly served as helpers and enjoyment and not food because Adam and animals alike were vegetarians.

We Read in Scripture:

29 Then God said, “Look! I have given you every seed-bearing plant throughout the earth and all the fruit trees for your food. 30 And I have given every green plant as food for all the wild animals, the birds in the sky, and the small animals that scurry along the ground—everything that has life.” And that is what happened. Genesis 1:29-30 NLT

Note also that man was to rule over the earth and subdue it. The earth and all that it had were meant to serve the needs of man. It wasn’t until after the Great Flood of Noah in Genesis 9 that meat became a source of food for both animals and man.

Since the animals and the plants of the earth were put under the control of man, God gave the responsibility to man to learn and to use them to his pleasure. That is why using animals in research is acceptable, because they are meant to be used instead of humans. Animals do not have the same form of eternal soul and likely do not experience an afterlife. This does not mean that we can be cruel and intend evil towards them.

We Read in Scripture:

God Confirms His Covenant

9 Then God blessed Noah and his sons and told them, “Be fruitful and multiply. Fill the earth. 2 All the animals of the earth, all the birds of the sky, all the small animals that scurry along the ground, and all the fish in the sea will look on you with fear and terror. I have placed them in your power. 3 I have given them to you for food, just as I have given you grain and vegetables. 4 But you must never eat any meat that still has the lifeblood in it.
5 “And I will require the blood of anyone who takes another person’s life. If a wild animal kills a person, it must die. And anyone who murders a fellow human must die. 6 If anyone takes a human life, that person’s life will also be taken by human hands. For God made human beings[a] in his own image. 7 Now be fruitful and multiply, and repopulate the earth.”
8 Then God told Noah and his sons, 9 “I hereby confirm my covenant with you and your descendants, 10 and with all the animals that were on the boat with you—the birds, the livestock, and all the wild animals—every living creature on earth. 11 Yes, I am confirming my covenant with you. Never again will floodwaters kill all living creatures; never again will a flood destroy the earth.”
12 Then God said, “I am giving you a sign of my covenant with you and with all living creatures, for all generations to come. 13 I have placed my rainbow in the clouds. It is the sign of my covenant with you and with all the earth. 14 When I send clouds over the earth, the rainbow will appear in the clouds, 15 and I will remember my covenant with you and with all living creatures. Never again will the floodwaters destroy all life. 16 When I see the rainbow in the clouds, I will remember the eternal covenant between God and every living creature on earth.” 17 Then God said to Noah, “Yes, this rainbow is the sign of the covenant I am confirming with all the creatures on earth.” Genesis 9:1-17 NLT

Ok thanks jolly for your post, it was a pleasure for me to answer it as thoroughly as I could be.

 

With a name like "Mitt Ryan" I am pretty sure that you could make an interesting and insightful comment to this question:


Why are Latter day Saint missionaries so nice????


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Why are Latter day Saint missionaries so nice????

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   Because they have the Holy Spirit because they asked for the Holy Spirit
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   Because they have hope for us non Latter day Saints perhaps being saved even after death
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   Their expectations of non Latter day Saints are so low they are happy with all positive contacts
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   other... please be specific in a reply....
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I have to admit that I am genuinely troubled that most of us Christians tend to be so critical of each other when somebody is part of a different denomination.

I believe that we Christians are free to be extremely Satanic in the way that we respond to other Christians...... over doctrinal points that eventually we will come to understand were no where nearly as important as whether or not we felt and showed genuine love for each other.

 

More telling is that all mainstream Christian sects hold power and authority as one and the same. The whole concept behind this God is that might makes right. There is no room to question his authority, because he is all powerful, yes?

Yes, exactly. Pure authoritarianism.

Yes, which follows from ominipotence. If he is all powerful then he is ultimately responsible for everything, and everything is as he wants it to be, good or bad.

This doesn't take any responsibility off of himself. If you set things up knowing with certainty that somebody is going to do something, as you designed them that way, regardless of how much you would be pleased that they didn't, when they do, you are at fault, regardless of of you want to say they are as well.

The idea that sin exists in this world is proof that God intends sin to exist in this world, and thus that God embraces sin to at least some extent.

Yes, chooses to allow, so it isn't a boundary.

"Good" is subjective. If you define "Good" as merely "God's will", as I presume you do, then yes, God is all powerful and all "Good" and that "Good" includes things like bone cancer and worms eating innocent children from the inside out. If instead "good" is meant to mean something more in line with happiness, lack of suffering, or benevolence towards people, then God is most certainly not "good" if he is also all powerful and keeps the world the way it is without doing anything to fix the bad or maintain the good.

They are the intent of God, if God is all powerful. And so is "mankind's sinful nature" if he created mankind. You just can't spin your way out of God being responsible for all the bad in the world if you want to also maintain that God is all powerful. If God is NOT all powerful then you'd have some good excuses for God.

Being held responsible for the actions of other people, from thousands or millions of years ago, is not what I find moral. But apparently God does, so by extension you do, yes?

And this changed because of mankind's actions? So now other species have to suffer because of what a man did, and God deems that just and good? Other species, in reality, do often suffer at the hands of humans, but I wouldn't call it good. God apparently does, so you also do by extension?

A flood genocide that the stories say God did because man had become wicked (man who God designed and being all knowing, knew ahead of time would become wicked), killing all but 2 of each kind of animal, meaning God purposefully drowned and killed and made suffer all life on earth except for Noah's family and fish (who wouldn't care about the flood) because God himself set things up in a way he knew would end like that. And again, God considers this good and moral, and by extension I suppose you do?

 

The interesting and quite ancient Book of Jasher hints strongly that cloning was an important part of the formula before the flood of the time of Noah.

The Book of Jasher chapter 4:

 

That's not cloning. Cloning causes identical life forms. It doesn't result in the mixing being claimed.

I don't know what that ridiculous verse 16 means, but they couldn't interbreed like that any more than we can today.

But, they COULD use husbandry to create improved breeds of each of those animals. Humans have done that for large numbers of centuries.

Maybe the author hated the idea of improving on "God's" cows??

Maybe the author would have seen a Holstein cow as an insult to God?

 

I can honestly tell you that I have never ever read any of your posts before until you came to my thread.

Now to respond to your questions/comments that you muttered out of your mouth. I have read the Holy Bible in its entirety and found it to be the inerrant, infallible Word of God. So there are no contradictions whatsoever.

And so the only way it becomes errant, fallible is by misinterpretations made by critics, by the unbelievers such as yourself.

If you come to Scripture and read a passage and ask, “Is that wrong?” You are revealing that you do not truly believe Scripture is without error. The proper approach, since it is God’s infallible Word, is to ask, “Since this cannot be in error, how is my understanding in error?” But of course one can't expect critics, people who are unbelievers to take the proper approach.

I don't see anywhere written in the Holy Bible where Our Creator Almighty God created Himself clay toys. Maybe you should read the Book of Genesis, obviously you didn't read it or if you did, not well enough.

But some of His created human beings have been confused and have fought over His sixty-six books that comprises the Holy Bible. And no, He did not "not know" His created human beings would be confused.

Since Our Creator Almighty God is omniscient, He knew there would be people confused because first and foremost He knew there would be people that would not believe that He exists at all...these are people like you mj, the unbelievers who have been confused over His books for centuries. The unbelievers who believe everything in existence somehow just out of nowhere one day in the far past just accidentally came into existence...poof!...and there came everything all by itself...lol

No mj He did not make clay toys in His image but He certainly did make human beings in His own image.

We Read in Scripture:

27 So God created human beings[a] in his own image. In the image of God he created them; male and female he created them. Genesis 1:27 NLT

Being made in the image and likeness of God, human beings have the ability to know God and therefore love Him, worship Him, serve Him, and fellowship with Him.
I get it that unbelievers can't love Him, worship Him, serve Him, and have fellowship with Him because of their disbelief/hatred but nevertheless they can't say, nor do they have any excuse for not knowing God.

We Read in Scripture:

19 They know the truth about God because he has made it obvious to them. 20 For ever since the world was created, people have seen the earth and sky. Through everything God made, they can clearly see his invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature. So they have no excuse for not knowing God. Romans 1:19-20 NLT

So how can you know there is a God? Well, there are three sources of material. First, there is the Holy Bible. Second, there is nature. Third, there is man. These point to the Creator. None are possible by happenstance. None could have been produced by accident.

I don't know about those clay toys you keep mentioning but I do know that many of His created human beings (past and present) are indeed mean and hateful, it's because of the inherent sinful nature of human beings.

Matter of fact we have one such human being right now a diminutive, little short guy, a tyrant that stands out because He ordered his military forces to attack a sovereign country unprovoked that created a nightmare scenario for millions of people living in that country being attacked. He is also causing economic suffering in his own country as well as other countries abroad. So yes, human beings can be mean and hateful.

But no, when it comes to Our Creator Almighty God, He is not mean and hateful and so He is perfect and infallible, He is perfectly holy without sin. He loves everyone and He wants everyone to live with Him in heaven. But you have to choose, He gave everyone of us the gift of free will to choose. You can choose to live with Him someday or choose not to live with Him someday and be forever separated from Him. But that would mean you will go to hell for punishments of your sins. It's all there written in the Scriptures of the Holy Bible.

Have you ever been angry at your clay toys?...lol...sorry but I can't believe you have never been angry with your human kids. C'mon they must have upset you somehow, in someway, at sometime. Kids are just not the perfect human beings but of course neither are adults and so they are going to do things that will upset you and get you angry.

So could at least be truthful when you come to my thread because I will expose your lies.

Well some parents have drowned their kids, maybe it won't be you but good for you and more importantly good for your kids that daddy won't drown them if they upset him. If you were to commit such a heinous crime it would be murder and of course it goes without saying you have no right to do that not in a billion years.

Our Creator Almighty God had every right to punish those people during the Great Flood of Noah. Being that He is Sovereign over all of His created beings, He had the right to punish them severely. They had to have been so disgustingly, repugnantly, abhorrently evil for Him to have wiped them out from the face of this earth. I can just imagine the corruptness, the evilness, those nasty people were engaging in for such a long time until finally Almighty God's wrath ended their disgusting loathsome lives but He did spare 8 people, Noah and his family members and pairs of male and female animals. Yes, Almighty God is not only a loving God but He can be a God of wrath when it's so deserving such as was the case during the true historical event commonly known as the Great Flood of Noah.

We Read in Scripture:

5 The Lord observed the extent of human wickedness on the earth, and he saw that everything they thought or imagined was consistently and totally evil. 6 So the Lord was sorry he had ever made them and put them on the earth. It broke his heart. 7 And the Lord said, “I will wipe this human race I have created from the face of the earth. Yes, and I will destroy every living thing—all the people, the large animals, the small animals that scurry along the ground, and even the birds of the sky. I am sorry I ever made them.” 8 But Noah found favor with the Lord. Genesis 6:5-8 NLT

Sorry but I do not go to atheist sites. So why do you go to atheist sites when you are confused about Scripture? You should go to Christian sites so they can help you to understand Scripture that is confusing you.

If you want to get help regarding legal matters you go to a reputable lawyer, not a con-artist shyster...right?...lol

Ok mj it was a pleasure for me to answer your questions/comments as thoroughly as I could be.

 

Well, the majority don't agree with your religion.

Today, only about 1/3 of the world self identifies as Christian. In the Bible, only the Jews believed in this particular God - a god the helped the Jews slaughter others in order to take their land.

As for your idea of the origin of this universe, it is Christianity that believes the universe was created essentially instantaneously and out of absolutely nothing.

On the other hand, science doesn't agree that something came from nothing. And, science has actual physical evidence of the development of this universe.

The development of humans was certainly not an accident. And, there is clear evidence that no super power was needed in order to cause the appearance of man and other animals.

The bible claims your god got so angry at humans that he drowned almost all humans on Earth, plus the vast majority of all other life.

Putin could unleash that kind of deadly power, but he isn't actually that evil.

Your whole world is founded on one book - the bible.

The bible says this universe may be meaningfully observed by mankind to discover how it works.

You fail at that, over and over again.

 

We been through this before - ending with you failing to answer the most basic questions related to your claim .. yet claim to have answers to "tough questions"

Here is a not so tough one for you.. Which "Holy Bible" is inerrant ? Since you can't manage to pick one .. how about the NIV.. https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John 3&version=NIV

If this the Bible that adheres to all of your claims .. inerrant, infallible, no contradictions - then explain why other Bibles say something different.

 

Yes, I don't know how he can claim the Bible is inerrant.

Maybe he can claim there aren't any errors relating directly to religion, or whatever. But, even there is seems to be a questionable claim.

 

There is a reason every major Christian denomination rejects inerrancy/infallability in some fashion - Catholic - Orthodox - Protestant ..one of the things on which they all agree .. except the Evangelical/Fundamentalists .. you know .. the folks that think earth is only 6000 years old and so on.

When you go to a "Real" Seminary -- 8 years - learning Latin Greek Hebrew .. you have to be an academic moron - and/or a fraud - not to realize that there are major differences. and these days .. these differences is part of the curriculum .. so that when the "tough questions" come up .. the Priest has an answer that manages to pass the giggle test. .. so you learn that Christ did not actually cry "Tears of Blood" .. a later addition by an overzealous scribe trying to show the human side of Jesus - not appearing in earlier manuscripts. - the long ending of Mark nowhere to be found in earlier manuscripts and so on. In some older Bibles you have entire books not in modern Bibles .. and even to this day you have differences depending on the denomination .. Protestant Bible not including some of the Apocrypha

If you go to the Catholic Encyclopedia .. look up Matthew -- will tell you he used all of Mark - leaving out only a few passages that were derogatory to Jesus or the disciples. .. Well .. OK .. but .. that is "Pious Fraud" by any other name.. the sin of omission. Then you learn that Well . back in the day .. this kind of Pious Fraud was generally acceptable .. if it saved more of the flock from eternal damnation .. how bad can it be ..

We see many of these little changes .. "artistic licence" when the topic is Sex or other Gods... many examples of just wiping other Gods from the text - and other things

 

Well that is a good thing to show genuine love for each other however that is not the most important aspect of a Christian's life in order to be saved. So I am not in total agreement with your statement Dennis. What is vitally important for an individual is that first and foremost they are doing it right as far as their salvation is concerned. That would entail following and accepting the doctrines that leads one into being saved. And so it would be wise to stay away from cult religions. And yes there are religions that claim to be Christian but are really not Christian.

Christians define cult as a religious group that denies one or more of the fundamentals of biblical truth. A cult holds views that are spurious and unorthodox. It claims to be part of a religion yet denies essential truths of that religion. A cult is a group that teaches doctrines that, if believed, will cause a person to remain unsaved.

The two most common teachings of Christian cults are that Our Lord Savior Jesus Christ was not God and that salvation is not by faith alone. A denial of the deity of Our Lord results in the view that Our Lord Jesus’ death was insufficient to pay for our sins. A denial of salvation by faith alone results in the teaching that salvation is achieved by our own works.

The apostles dealt with cults in the early years of the church below for example, John addresses the teaching of Gnosticism. John’s litmus test for godly doctrine was “Jesus Christ came in a real body” (verse 2)....a direct contradiction of the Gnostic heresy (cf. 2 John 1:7).

We Read in Scripture:

Discerning False Prophets

4 Dear friends, do not believe everyone who claims to speak by the Spirit. You must test them to see if the spirit they have comes from God. For there are many false prophets in the world. 2 This is how we know if they have the Spirit of God: If a person claiming to be a prophet[a] acknowledges that Jesus Christ came in a real body, that person has the Spirit of God. 3 But if someone claims to be a prophet and does not acknowledge the truth about Jesus, that person is not from God. Such a person has the spirit of the Antichrist, which you heard is coming into the world and indeed is already here. 1 John 4:1-3 NLT

7 I say this because many deceivers have gone out into the world. They deny that Jesus Christ came[a] in a real body. Such a person is a deceiver and an antichrist. 2 John 1:7 NLT

So yes Dennis once again, it is a good thing to show genuine love for each other however that is not the most important aspect of a Christian's life in order to be saved. The most important aspect of a Christian's life is that they are accepting and following the doctrines that will save them.

 

Calling each other's religion a cult doesn't seem particularly productive.

 

Good Grief Mitt - you don't know what a cult is ... or how it is defined .. your definition of Cult is - "Some group that disagrees with my groups dogma" is a cult belief - a classic cult definition used as a mind control tactic referred to as "Demonization of the Other"

These Fundamentalist Snake Charmer sites that you get this info from - are the one's engaging in cult like behavoir .. you don't recognize because you don't know what a cult is - being fed a falsehood from these horrible sites.

Do you think Sataniel is going to show up in horns and a red cape .. surely you are not that niave ?!

You say "Biblical Truth" - but then run from Bible passages that conflict with the dogma you been feeding on from these fundamentalist snake charmer sites .. the true "Wolves in Sheeps Clothing" .. as described by our Lord and Savoir

Get behind me Satan .. is the response of Jesus to these Wolves that have been corrupting the inds of zealous adherents..