Cop Who Killed Ashli Babbitt Never Interviewed By Investigators, Now Back In Charge Of House Securit

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  1. Injeun

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    Under the circumstances, I think that anything the Capitol Police did was justified. In fact, I'm surprised they didn't shoot down the rioters by the dozens. And I voted for Trump in both elections. So I'm not political. I'm pissed.
     
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    The Capitol police officer shot and killed an unarmed American veteran who presented no immanent danger.
     
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    He, a man--well, a biological one, anyway--could have grabbed her and restrained her. Instead, he opens fire. It's unbelievable. Democrats say that the BLM riots were a protest against police brutality, but how is this not a form of police brutality?

    According to Amnesty International, "Under international law, police officers should only ever use lethal force as a last resort. This means when such force is strictly necessary to protect themselves or others from the imminent threat of death or serious injury, and only when other options for de-escalation are insufficient."

    How was shooting and killing Ashli Babbit a "last resort" option? Why couldn't Officer Byrd grab and restrain Babbit? The onus is on them to explain.
     
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    My only response to that mess is ... bullshit ... because it is, and it's been argued so, very respectably in this and many other treads.
     
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    I think the single shot shows a great deal of restraint and years of excellent training. I agree that most training is to "double tap - center mass" anyone you shoot. But "good training" also teaches to shoot and keep shooting until the threat is neutralized. Officer Byrd shot once, recognized the threat was neutralized and stopped shooting. IMHO, he preformed exceptionally and used the minimum force necessary to stop the threat he faced. It's too bad that a relatively young woman died following "her president's" perceived "orders".
     
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    Of course she presented a danger. She jumped through a broken door her and the other traitors broke down in order to get to the folks on the other side she was threatening.

    Her own actions caused her death.
     
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    It has been explained to you and everyone else on every single page of this thread. You only disagree because she was a trumpist that got taken down. If this was done in the name of Obama, you would be completely agreeing with the officers decision.
     
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    Explain it in the context of international law.

    According to Amnesty International, "Under international law, police officers should only ever use lethal force as a last resort. This means when such force is strictly necessary to protect themselves or others from the imminent threat of death or serious injury, and only when other options for de-escalation are insufficient."

    How was shooting and killing Ashli Babbit a "last resort" option? Why couldn't Officer Byrd grab and restrain Babbit? How is this not police brutality? Why has Byrd not been charged, but Officer Kim Potter was charged and convicted? And how does the theory of so-called white privilege hold up under the fact that Kim Potter has been charged and convicted, but Officer Byrd has not been charged?
     
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    Babbitt breached a broken window/door that her and the other traitors with her broke in order to get to the people on the other side and cause them harm.

    Prior to her breaching the last line of defense, she was verbally threatening those on the other side of that door.

    What do you not understand about this?
     
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    So verbal threats from an unarmed woman justifies an able-bodied male using lethal force against them?

    Try again.

    Explain it in the context of international law.

    According to Amnesty International, "Under international law, police officers should only ever use lethal force as a last resort. This means when such force is strictly necessary to protect themselves or others from the imminent threat of death or serious injury, and only when other options for de-escalation are insufficient."

    How was shooting and killing Ashli Babbit a "last resort" option? Why couldn't Officer Byrd grab and restrain Babbit? How is this not police brutality? Why has Byrd not been charged, but Officer Kim Potter was charged and convicted? And how does the theory of so-called white privilege hold up under the fact that Kim Potter has been charged and convicted, but Officer Byrd has not been charged?
     
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    Yes. Verbal threats with an army of thousands of angry traitors behind her. Absolutely this cop was justified in taking her ass down.
     
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    One of the posters on your side said it was about 25. Now you say it was "army of thousands." You all need to stick to one number. Again, this is just exaggeration, hyperbole, mendacity to justify what appears to be unnecessary force.
     
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    Jesus Christ, the entire planet got to see what brainwashed cultists did in order to please the messiah that lost because they all fell for a lie.

    They tried to stop Congress from doing their job. They tried to get tjeir hands on these people and kill them in the name of Trump.

    Thank god They were idiots.
     
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    Yes, it is very outrageous! No one breaking into the Capitol screaming ‘Hang Mike Pence’ should be stopped. Lets hope the next time when a peaceful protesters break into the Capitol screaming ‘Hang Kamala Harris’ – the Capitol police will give them a rope.
     
  15. Xyce

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    Congress confirmed a rigged election. They didn't do their job. But this is a red herring. This in no way justified shooting and killing an unarmed woman.

    Try again.

    Explain it in the context of international law.

    According to Amnesty International, "Under international law, police officers should only ever use lethal force as a last resort. This means when such force is strictly necessary to protect themselves or others from the imminent threat of death or serious injury, and only when other options for de-escalation are insufficient."

    How was shooting and killing Ashli Babbit a "last resort" option? Why couldn't Officer Byrd grab and restrain Babbit? How is this not police brutality? Why has Byrd not been charged, but Officer Kim Potter was charged and convicted? And how does the theory of so-called white privilege hold up under the fact that Kim Potter has been charged and convicted, but Officer Byrd has not been charged?
     
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    Or, now hear me out here, they could just grab and restrain that person, instead of just shooting and killing them. For people who don't believe in a binary for sex that has been held to be true for thousands of years, you appear to think there is a binary of choices in what could be done in this circumstance--and only the extremes are the choices: either shoot and kill unarmed people or help them carry out their criminality. There is more than just a binary of choices in this circumstance. Again, I'll ask the question.

    According to Amnesty International, "Under international law, police officers should only ever use lethal force as a last resort. This means when such force is strictly necessary to protect themselves or others from the imminent threat of death or serious injury, and only when other options for de-escalation are insufficient."

    How was shooting and killing Ashli Babbit a "last resort" option? Why couldn't Officer Byrd grab and restrain Babbit? How is this not police brutality? Why has Byrd not been charged, but Officer Kim Potter was charged and convicted? And how does the theory of so-called white privilege hold up under the fact that Kim Potter has been charged and convicted, but Officer Byrd has not been charged?
     
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    Your first sentence confirms that you are in agreement with their failed coup.
     
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    I disagree with the riot. It was not a coup.

    According to Amnesty International, "Under international law, police officers should only ever use lethal force as a last resort. This means when such force is strictly necessary to protect themselves or others from the imminent threat of death or serious injury, and only when other options for de-escalation are insufficient."

    How was shooting and killing Ashli Babbit a "last resort" option? Why couldn't Officer Byrd grab and restrain Babbit? How is this not police brutality? Why has Byrd not been charged, but Officer Kim Potter was charged and convicted? And how does the theory of so-called white privilege hold up under the fact that Kim Potter has been charged and convicted, but Officer Byrd has not been charged?
     
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  19. Bluesguy

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    What an reasoned to the point response, totally refuted everything I have said...........................:wall:

    Yes when presented with the facts and the law this entire shooting has been whitewashed by those three investigations and the coverup continues.

    Why do you oppose and do not DEMAND that as in any other police use of lethal force resulting in the death of a citizen there be a clear and transparent investigation and this officer held accountable to reporting why he killed someone under his authority as a police officer. No matter what hate your have for her in your heart she was a citizen engaged in a political protest that turned into a riot but a citizen nonetheless.

    The Republicans are trying the have that investigation and the Dem leadership is standing in their way. Do you support the Dems doing so?
     
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    It's quite simple isn't it and why as in an other police homicide haven't the records of the investigation been released? They didn't even take it to a grand jury. The didn't even INTERVIEW the officer who fired the weapon. And did not demand or pressure him to give a statement he just refuse. And he's still on the job.
     
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    Aren’t you the one that said Aubrey should have just ran a different direction and that the Armand men that chased in pickup trucks “felt in danger” — sounds like justifying this completely innocent man’s death while getting upset that police stopped a violent trespasser that was trying to stop one of it not the most democratic processes in the nation that left dozens of officers injured

    The integrity is astounding

    :applause:
     
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    I answered your question several times. The Cop was justified in taking that traitor down. It was a good shoot.

    Too bad for her family she fell into a cult and got herself killed.
     
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    Violent trespasser? How was she violent? Or was she, as the media likes the say, "violent-looking" or perhaps "violent-sounding"? As Bill Maher said, "Either words have meaning or they don't." Your use the the word "violent" is a misuse. It's just more hyperbole and falsehood to justify what appears to be an unjustifiable shooting. The shooting appears, at the very least, to be in violation of international law.

    According to Amnesty International, "Under international law, police officers should only ever use lethal force as a last resort. This means when such force is strictly necessary to protect themselves or others from the imminent threat of death or serious injury, and only when other options for de-escalation are insufficient."

    How was shooting and killing Ashli Babbit a "last resort" option? Why couldn't Officer Byrd grab and restrain Babbit? How is this not police brutality? Why has Byrd not been charged, but Officer Kim Potter was charged and convicted? And how does the theory of so-called white privilege hold up under the fact that Kim Potter has been charged and convicted, but Officer Byrd has not been charged?

    You know what Alec Baldwin and Michael Byrd have in common?

    They both shot and killed an unarmed white woman, both have not been charged, and both are adored by Democrats.
     
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    Cops who take out seditious traitors are heroes in my book.
     
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    You've missed one, actually three important points; Officer Byrd has been exonerated by three separate investigations, right here in the USA.

    That's game set and match. All the rest is just a pissing contest over details you really aren't qualified to judge or opinions that won't change the fact the shooting was judged valid, or anything else you can imagine, just doesn't ****ing matter.

    It's O V E R !!!

    Ashli Babbitt got taken in by lies. Q lies, tRump lies, she believed the wrong web site, she believed the wrong man, the world's most accomplished BULLSHIT artist. Following pure nonsense made her do **** that got her killed. It was HER FAULT AND THE LIES SHE BOUGHT IN TO. <- PERIOD
     
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