Trans women athletes hold competitive edge, even after testosterone suppression, scientists say

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    Again, I don’t recognize these little terms millennial leftists make up.
     
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    I find the term highly offensive………..and it seeks to diminish what I am: a biologically born feminine female, and it seeks to diminish masculine biologically born females as well.
     
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    Are you talking about this “cis-gender” thing-a-ma-jig? It’s absolute nonsense. I can’t fathom how a full grown adult eats this garbage hook, line and sinker.
     
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    I agree. But it is this insertion of the alternate names that seeks to muddy the waters and to dismiss my fellow sisters and me.
    As you stated, there are 2 genders, and those born with issues at birth( breasts and penis) which is an extremely low number.
     
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    Bio Cis women can also hold a competitive advantage.

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    Caster Semenya is a winner. The 29-year-old South African is the two-time women’s 800m Olympic champion, a three-time 800m world champion and a double Commonwealth Games middle distance gold medallist. To wrap those figures in further context, when Semenya won the Doha Diamond League 800m in May 2019, it was her 30th consecutive victory over the distance.

    Put simply, when fit, in-form and free to run without distraction, Semenya is almost unbeatable over the 800m. But these are not circumstances often afforded to Semenya, who lives with a condition in which her body produces a much higher level of testosterone than most other women.
    https://olympics.com/en/athletes/caster-semenya

    And, a f-m not yet transitioned trans gender kicked a m-f trans who made won last month and caused an uproar.
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    But at an Ivy League swim meet Saturday, a Yalie, Iszac Henig, defeated Thomas in both the women’s 100- and 400-yard freestyle races, the Daily Mail reported.

    Henig, who is transitioning from female to male, set a record for the women’s 50-yard freestyle, the outlet said.

    Henig was able to compete on the women’s team because she had yet to start testosterone treatment, according to a June piece in The New York Times.
    https://nypost.com/2022/01/08/lia-thomas-defeated-by-fellow-transgender-swimmer-iszac-henig/

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    It seems it doesn't matter.
    Full bio female kicks but.
    M-F trans wins a race and gets people all up in arms about it.
    And the F-M trans, who has not transitioned, kicked the other trans but in swimming.
     
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    Nothing but facts. A hermaphrodite is the only scientific exception. I 100% agree with you. Claiming a man dressed as a woman with a synthetic surgery is the same as a biological female is an absolute slap in the face to females. Thats the opposite of “feminism”. There is nothing “progressive” about this stuff. It’s pure sexual-fantasy trash. You know what I think is the root cause to all this? Porn-addicted sexual deviants.
     
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    Dairy Air, if you agree with trans women competing in athletics against bio females, feel free to read the link in the OP and explain why.

    As a biologically born female, who competed in athletics in college and still competes in athletics today, I am completely against competing against trans females.
     
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    No such thing as a “Cis” woman. The rest of your point is moot as soon as you open with that.
     
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    That was one reason but another one was that women were so weak they needed men to take care of them. And this included politics. This is where the stereotype 'women have nicer bathrooms than men' come from. Because women were so weak they needed to be reminded of their homes, so they needed to have couches and 'nicer things'. But there in lies the issue, how do you prove women are physically capable of voting?

    Oh no, how dare I in a thread about unfair competitive advantages point out *having a physical advantage isn't everything*, or that nobody has actually established why 'strength' is an unfair competitive advantage.

    Yes, the actual Latin word "Cis" is well known to have been made by millennials.
     
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    It is a slap in the face and every time one of these threads pops up on PF, it is the same small number of usual suspects who chime in.
     
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    Right, because “Cis-gender” originated in Latin America. Everyone knows full damn well this blossomed under modern Democrats, beginning with Barry and Big Mike.
     
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    Same ole modernist operandi ( that is Latin, in case you did not know) from you in here. And you cannot refute the point in the OP.

    The very few millennials I know who use these silly terms have some mental issues, and they are unable to find stable employment and stable relationships.
     
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    Latin... as in Roman Latin. Cis comes from Rome.

    Actually I've refuted the points in the OP multiple times. By pointing out the OP has not established why trans people have an unfair competitive advantage in sports, which is the real issue.

    Yes a marginalized minority which suffers from hiring discrimination... might have trouble finding stable employment, which leads to unstable relationships. I do believe you are excellent at finding the effects of discrimination.
     
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    [QUOTE="Kranes56, post: 1073198822, member: 52903"



    Actually I've refuted the points in the OP multiple times. By pointing out the OP has not established why trans people have an unfair competitive advantage in sports, which is the real issue.



    Yes a marginalized minority which suffers from hiring discrimination... might have trouble finding stable employment, which leads to unstable relationships. I do believe you are excellent at finding the effects of discrimination.[/QUOTE]

    no, you have not refuted the points.

    And now you add in playing victim while you ignore the instability and want to elevate trans people above the rest of society. It does not work that way.

    Are you jealous I am a biologically born female?
     
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    Question- what do you mean by this? Because I have been fairly consistent this thread- nobody has prove why trans people have an unfair competitive advantage. In fact I think it was to Doof I asked why the IOC lets trans athletes compete if the "strength argument" is so self-evident? That's refutation of the thread in my book. If it's not in yours, please show me what proof you need.

    Hey I just want to pee in a bathroom without having to present papers proving I'm a woman. Like all women.

    Are you really bragging about having a period? Because I know guys and nonbinary people who have them and they hate them. They hate them a lot.
     
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    cis-
    word-forming element meaning "on the near side of, on this side," from Latin preposition cis "
     
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    I got it. So the great Roman Empire came up with “Cis-genders”. LOL
    :applause:
     
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    You’re either a damn man or a woman. How can you be “nearly” a man or “nearly” a woman? LMFAO
     
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    I never said that. Though if we are going back to the ancient world, trans people were respected as gods and goddesses by many different religions and have priesthoods specifically for them.
     
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    Pure nonsense. Why bring religion up? Democrats hate religion.
     
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    I guess when an actual point can't be refuted, they try to nitpick some letter or word to try and deflect from a point.

    If they actually had a opposing viewpoint, it would be presented. Instead, quibble over the use of a latin origin word.
     
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    You seriously believe the Latin language origin is Latin America. OMG. Funny.

    I thought you claimed to be a christian. You know nothing about a language some of the bible was written in?
     
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    The IOC is political and the decision to allow trans females to compete against bio born females will come back to bite them, just like it has with the NCAA.

    Bio born males are stronger than bio born females. You cannot refute that.

    I have been to bars and shared the same bathroom with trans females, not a big deal.

    Am not bragging about a period, but it speaks volumes about you and that is what you focused on. Guys who are bio born females and non-binary people who have decided what they really want to be in life, thus , a biologically born female, will still have periods, no duh.

    I am offended by you and your attempts to tear down biologically born females to elevate your Trans female narrative. Good thing is………
    you are in a very small group.
     
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    I'm trans. My adopted mom is Catholic. When she told me why she adopted me, it was because of her Catholic faith. I have a mixed relation with religion but I can't deny that the church bells sound lovely.

    They really don't. I haven't seen a single refutation of the IOC or the NCAA other than to call them 'liberal' or 'left wing' or some other insult. It's just the same bigotry over and over again.
     
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    Bigotry? Oh my. Lunacy, party of 1, your table is ready.
     
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