Trans women athletes hold competitive edge, even after testosterone suppression, scientists say

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  1. SouthernFried87

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    Another complete and total deflection from the topic material. What’s wrong? Having a hard time trying to defend “Cis-genders”?
     
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    2 peas in a pod.
     
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    That's why I just present the Semaya story.
    The Thomas story and the ass kicking story by the F-M trans of the M-F trans.

    Like being trans has any effect on athletic ability or even muscle tone. It's a factor, but it doesn't matter cis gender female, transgender m-f or transgender f-m.
    This has been an on going issue since the birth of women's sports.

    Then I just go away and let them stew.
     
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    All sports are political and have political implications. Makes sense when you think about it. Sports are about power, politics is the flow of power. They're very similar to each other. Just different ways to exercise that power. Think Olympics, or proving women have the physical endurance to vote, or desegregating sports.

    Your point is moot.

    I can. And I do. Because I define strength more broadly than just simply one particular exercise.

    Okay. Good to know.

    More like I have enough female friends who tell me I'm lucky not to have to deal with a period. I focus on it because that's what they tell me. And I have no clue what the second half of that first paragraph is trying to say.

    As for the last part, notice what I asked of you. What would it take to refute the OP? Have you defined it? No. Have you explained or elaborated on this? No. So what is it you're looking for? You say you're offended by a 'small group'. Tell me, do I threaten your femininity? All I do is take pills and put on a skirt. I can't do sports anymore. So where's the threat? Where is danger that so offends you?
     
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    And it works. I mean, you can talk about trans people losing and they have no response to it. Because they can't reason that trans people would lose. It's just weird they can't see past their own prejudices.
     
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    No delfection. Cisgender is very much a part of the topic when discussing trans.

    Just because you are unaware of the use of the Latin word, NOTE: did not originate in Latin America LOLOLOL, doesn't make it off topic or deflection.
    But it does show how much knowledge you have on the topic.
     
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    That's what I was saying. If they don't understand the basics but have opinions on trans athletes, they just have prejudices guiding them.
     
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    Present facts, lead them to the water and hope they don't drown trying to get a drink.

    It becomes real obvious real fast that fear and emotion is the only guide they have.

    Heck, one claims to be christian and has no clue Latin was a language to originate some of the bible.
    There's no way to have a meaningful debate.
     
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    I mean I just flat out refused to respond after that last post. Like I don't want to have deal with personal arguments on this topic. I'm trans and have opinions on trans issues. To be told I can't compete in a sport by someone who doesn't know where Latin came from? That's just ridiculous and the problem is, it's not uncommon. But who knows? Maybe if we pick this fight now, then others won't have to suffer later.
     
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    Fear driven by emotion.
    Creates strong opinions, with no rationale behind it.
     
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    The 2-3 way circle-jerk between you guys is adorable, it really is.
     
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    That's just it, I think emotions are really important and an important source of knowledge. Fear tells us things that are completely 'rational'. It's a different way of thinking of logic but I like to expand on that. Their fear towards trans people matters and understanding that fear helps us understand their rationale matter.
     
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    Are you seeking they should be removed from all sports or just women's sports? You statement, "I strongly with everything transgender" doesn't lend itself to differentiating trans-women in women's sports but would you be willing for there to be all transgender sports?
     
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    Says the poster who thinks the Latin language originated in Latin America. And claims to be a christian where some of the bible originated in Latin. Thinks the term cis- is made up by millenials.

    I don't think your very uninformed opinions are even worthy of being in this discussion. It's not adorable, it really isn't. It's quite sad actually. It really is.
     
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    Do you date these people or something? Are you one? You are hell-bent on defending it, so I can only assume it’s one of the two. Lol
     
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    I would like to see them out of women’s sports as a priority but I don’t care to see them in men sports either. Like I said. I believe trans people to be mentally ill. As in completely off their rocker. But if they were in men’s sports it would be more fitting.
     
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    OK. But wouldn't that put them at a disadvantage up against men that aren't using hormones?

    And, would you mind sharing why you think they are mentally ill? There are all kinds of mentally ill people working and functioning in life.
     
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    I think this is the issue that will break the trans movement. Or, at least, draw a line in the sand.

    All things being equal, a male who has gone through puberty with all that muscle and bone growth is at an advantage to a generic girl (even with the reduction of testosterone later).

    I think science will bear this out, but here's the problem. No legitimate institute will touch this, so we've got right-wing think tanks only. It's a cover up.
     
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    I can't "admit" to the thoughts of others. Males are stronger than females. Rather than address that fact, you are making it about words. In your efforts to distract from the issue, you attack me. You can't even come up with a term to describe bio males. Trans and cis do not describe the subjects we are discussing.

    Perhaps the IOC wanted to avoid being called trans-phobic. IDK. The fact remains that males are stronger than females regardless of your efforts to change the subject and play word games.

    If you will excuse me, I have to register my 1000cc race bike in a 600cc class race. (My R1 identifies as an R6)
     
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    There's all sort of female types that get an advantage just for being female.
    Same for males.
    The issue of what is the definition of female has been an issue in that sport since women's sports were created.
     
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    Calling a woman cis-woman or cisgender is misogynistic.

    Calling a man, a woman is demeaning to women...
     
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    Only to those who don't understand the concept of cis- and trans-.
     
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    For a man to say he is a woman shows contempt for women. For a man to say he's a woman and then uses his male physical advantage to win women's sports records is demonstrating contempt and hatred for women. Those who advocate for men who pretend they are women are showing their contempt or at least their disregard for women as well. Misogyny at its worst.
     
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    There is no "cis" or trans". Those are made up meaningless words. There is man, woman, boy, girl. And those who pretend to be something they arent..
     
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    Some suck so bad at their chosen endeavors that even with a physical advantage they still suck. I recall reading that that Penn. swimmer was beat by a transgendered man competing as a woman.
     

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