Michigan Democrats criticized after dismissing parents' role in public education

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  1. WalterSobchak

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    Ok, great
     
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    She will not be re elected…
     
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    XXJefferson#51 Banned

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    It is great. We saw with our own eyes the crap our children were subjected to with distance learning. Never again!
     
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    WRONG!

    She WILL...
    Then, onto the Senate in 2030...When Stabenow retires...
     
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    Interesting - most Private schools allow VERY LITTLE parent input into curriculum. If they don't like what the instructors are teaching - they can pull their kid - always
    someone waiting in line.
     
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    You may agree with the sentiment expressed by Michigan Democrats (I get the sense that many Democrats do), but do you at least grasp how incredibly foolish it is, in political terms? It was this very issue that gave the Virginia Governor's mansion to the Republicans. I would have thought, at least out of a sense of political self-preservation, the Dems would have the good sense to keep this "idea" to themselves, but it seems that I have once again over-estimated their intelligence.
     
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    Over estimating the intelligence of democrats is an easy mistake to make…,
     
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    I do hope you're not advocating that people disobey the law now are you?

    Also, thanks for admitting that they are teaching crt in schools. 9f course you're going to deny this. But we all know that you're referring to the govenor banning crt. So while you can deny it, the cat is already out of the bag. So go ahead, deny all that you want. We know the truth.
     
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    Anyone trying to remove a parent's voice from their children's education is the last person who should have a say in what happens with those kids. Parents absolutely have a right to be involved, have a voice, and to know what is going on. Any attempt to keep them in the dark or to silence them is a real concern. This isn't a left vs. right issue, at least it shouldn't be. This is about people with authority trying to take advantage of their position and calling them out on it. This is not acceptable.
     
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    Oh noes. This really has a point.
    Children got a limited amount of hours to spend in schools.

    There simply should be time reserved for creationism, flat earth, Trump having his election stolen, covid is just a flue - kind of nonsense.
    With that, the influence of parents should be really really limited. If they want to indoctrinate their kids with stupidity, than they can do that after school hours.

    It's not that American kids are outperforming kids around the world.
     
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    Its funny how you think that this is a Democrat v Republican, liberal v conservative issue. Can you point to anyone in this thread demanding anything that you said here? Anyone at all? Can you even point to anyone in the article demanding such? Did you even bother to look into this issue before spouting off? Did you know that this kind of thing didn't start being a thing until parents dared to speak out against CRT? That this has nothing to do with creationism, flat earth, Trump or covid? Did you know that since the founding of this country parents have had a say in their kid's education? Why do you think that there are school board meetings with the community held at least once a month where parents are allowed to speak, make suggestions, demand reform etc etc? And that is ALL parents. Not just conservative ones. But also liberal ones. Democratic ones. And yes, Republican ones also.

    Mayhap it is time for you to take off those partisan glasses and see the real world.
     
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    It's weird you think that I think it's a democrat v republican.
    I'm not mentioning this one bit.

    This is about what and if parents can push through their idea's and suggestions.
    And in this day and age we simply got a heck of a lot of fruitcakes with irrational thoughts. I gave some examples.
    And it sounds like a valid point that public schools have no place for this nonsense.
     
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    This Dem mentality cost liberals the Governor position in VA.
     
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    Public schools have to compete for their business. If parent do not like their curriculum they will not have students. So in a sense the parents have total input into the curriculum. People do not wait in line for a poorly designed curriculum. The public schools have government funding and they do not have to compete for students in the marketplace. So they can and often do provide a political correct curriculum dumbed down to the lowest common denominator.
     
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    Yep.. where the elected school district reps make the final call for their district..
     
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    Wouldn't bother me in the least since I'm pro-education, but we're on masks here, buddy..

    And like always, you still don't know ****..
     
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    Way to show how out of touch you are with politics on a Political forum? Damn dude.
     
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    The conservatives, like all parents , have their kids under their control for three times as many hours during a school day, all weekends, all holidays and all summers.
    I figure the ones complaining are the same that go to Church on Sunday and think that makes them holier than those who don't.
     
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    You have some curious ideas what is taught in private vs. private schools. Creationism is obviously taught in religious schools, but the flat earth, covid is just a flue, stolen election claims, etc. are not really taught in private schools and it is absurd to claim they are. I have a friends wife who taught for years in a public school and then took a much better paying position in an Islamic Alexandria VA Saudi run school which had a far superior academic based curriculum and zero behavior and discipline issues such as plague the public schools. She was shocked at how much better the Saudi school was than the Stafford County VA public schools. My mother and sister were public school teachers in MD and VA and I have heard plenty about the public school system. In public schools the mentally challenged are mixed in with the mentally adept students. Guess how that works out? Students with behavioral issues are put in classrooms and allowed to disrupt teaching. My sister had a mentally disturbed kid one year MD elementary school) that spent most of the school day marching around the classroom shouting in a loud voice, "the bus is coming." Many of her student did not speak English. That is the reality of public schools. I have a good friend that is a retired and career high school teacher in VA. Her career reflect a consistent and no pun intended progressive dumbing down of the public education system. When you reference the performance of America kids you are of course referring to those that are a product of public schools. My knowledge of the public school system is anecdotal but your knowledge seems based on leftist claims and assumptions.
     
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    Your Church claim is a strawman fallacy. If you are a product of the public school system you should understand what logical fallacies are.
     
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    It's a problem that's been around for a long long time, people who believe that as long as they go to Church on Sunday they're good.
    Jethro Tull said it well 50 years ago.
    In my experience and mind you I'm a missionary in Africa, the least Christian people that I've known never miss Church on Sunday and the most Christian never go to Church.
     
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    I've named these absurd things since plenty of people believe in it. Those people, as parents, are the same who got a roll in the public education system. And that's a problem right there. That roll should be exceptionally limited.

    This is about the influence on parents in what gets taught in public schools. This is not about if mentally disabled children should be allowed to be in a school, and if children who got a hard time understanding English should be allowed on public schools.
     
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    FFS, the right in this country has lost their damn minds. You guys take everything and make it some democrat conspiracy.

    Claiming that you have no say in the schools is just farce at this point. We are still a democracy, and the school boards are democratically elected. Districts set the curriculum, but are governed by the elected school boards.

    This new push against schools is because Republicans want to now control what their children are taught, not for education reason, but for political reason. Republicans are now bastardizing what is actually being taught, to claim it something it is not. CRT is a prime example: "Dont teach my kids about slavery because that is reverse racism". Schools are teaching what they have always taught, that slavery existed, that it was brutal, and it was part of american history. Conservatives: "CRT is teaching my child that black people are treated unfairly, and I cant have that !!!!"

    Fact: Racism was legally legislated up to the 1970's

    Teaching your child that racism existed, is not teaching them they are racist.
     
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    Seriously. Who the eff cares about this Sandman person other than the right? LOL
     
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    I find it ironic how the left claims to be for the "people" but yet have little confidence in the people to make good decisions.

    Your argument regarding education could be applied to democracy in general.
     

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